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Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by teakettle42 on Friday August 05, 2022 @01:46AM (#32352209)
I live in a three story, single family home located at the top of a hill, with views for miles, surrounded by wooded acreage, in an area zoned “forest”.

Life is amazing here. I exercise outside, explore the landscape and the hiking trails surrounding me, and not only is it never crowded, it’s also safe, quiet, and beautiful.

The best part is that since I have everything at hand, including natural beauty, I don’t want or need to leave my home often, and have worked remotely for a Bay Area company for several years.

I often walk out my front door and go for a hike before starting my work day.

Living in an 18-story building surrounded by 20-story buildings would be, for me, a hellish existence.

You couldn’t pay me enough money to want to live there.

Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by leonidasv on Friday August 05, 2022 @02:07AM (#32352361)
Well, but those things can coexist. That's the difference between living in the heart of a metropolis vs living somewhere far away.

Since I've grown in the countryside, surrounded by all the forests and hills, I really find the cosmopolitan life I've there more exciting.

It may change overtime, sure, but at least I will never have to complain about having lost my time commuting.

Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by nicolas_t on Friday August 05, 2022 @10:54AM (#32357011)
It does coexist in some cities, Hong Kong has amazing hiking trails less than 15 minutes from where I live while being one of the densest city in the world. Likewise Kyoto is a relatively big city, 30 minutes away by public transit from Osaka which is even bigger but there's easy access to nature (although in the last 5 years before covid it was overrun by tourists)
Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by teakettle42 on Friday August 05, 2022 @02:12AM (#32352394)
> Well, but those things can coexist.

In theory? They can coexist. If you want density, move to a dense city.

In reality? Activists and developers are constantly pushing to upzone and pave over everything in sight.

Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by throwaway6734 on Friday August 05, 2022 @07:12AM (#32354456)
Who pays to maintain the roads, electricity, water, etc. to your house?
Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by throwaway0a5e on Friday August 05, 2022 @08:09AM (#32354934)
Electricity and water are usually close to 100% paid for by the bills and if not it's not exactly a big difference if they are. The roads and the occasional big investment in something like a water treatment plan are paid via taxes. The money taxes a circuitous route to get there since so much money goes to fed and state taxes who then fractionally fund these sorts of infrastructure upkeep things. Unless a community is exceptionally rich or poor the people living there pay roughly what it costs +/- a few percent. Rich communities get less because their taxes get redirected to poorer communities to a larger extent. If poorer communities were not benefits of this wealth transfer they find ways to make do with less but it wouldn't be the financial devastation that many here like to imply.
Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by 300bps on Friday August 05, 2022 @11:34AM (#32357637)
Unless a community is exceptionally rich or poor the people living there pay roughly what it costs +/- a few percent.

You’re not taking school taxes and costs into consideration.

In my school district, they spend $18,211 per student each year. Average school taxes per house are $8,100.

So a house with 1 child costs $10,111 per year. But the average house with children has 2.1 kids costing over $30,000 more than is paid in.

This is a very common problem and why development, especially of larger homes (with likely more children) is a net drain on the local tax base.

Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by throwaway0a5e on Friday August 05, 2022 @11:45AM (#32357797)
Schools are an infinite money pit. Their expenses grow to consume what is available. Likewise their expenses can be trimmed if the money is simply not available. As we've learned from pumping poorly performing schools full of money, expenditure is only loosely correlated with results.
Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by frumper on Friday August 05, 2022 @12:15PM (#32358220)
Sounds like your problem is children. Children need to be schooled whether they live in a large house or are crammed into a tiny condo.
Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by 300bps on Friday August 05, 2022 @01:34PM (#32359265)
Children need to be schooled whether they live in a large house or are crammed into a tiny condo.

True, but doesn't seem relevant to the discussion. GP said homes pay as much in taxes as they receive in services.

I disputed that by pointing out that even with very large homes, the people in the home receive far more educational services than their taxes pay for.

Your response to that is to say children need education?

Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by frumper on Friday August 05, 2022 @01:58PM (#32359588)
Most of the suburbs, small cities and towns I've been in are predominately single family homes, yet they somehow all have schools paid for by taxes. People that tend to live in very large homes tend to pay disproportionately larger shares of taxes.
Re:Marc Andreessen says he’s for new housing, but records te... by 300bps on Friday August 05, 2022 @04:14PM (#32361452)
small cities and towns I've been in are predominately single family homes, yet they somehow all have schools paid for by taxes

That somehow is because they tax people that don't have kids in school. In fact, municipalities can nudge this.

Approve a 55+ community and it will give the community a net tax benefit. Same thing with a condo community. But approve a plan for a community of single family homes with 4+ bedrooms and you will have a huge drain on the tax base literally forever.