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Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by soulofmischief on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:51PM (#32349782)
The next problem is verifying all of that information.

It will require multiple dozen auxillary Google searches and reading through countless articles and message boards.

GPT-3 is a great research tool as a brainstorming engine, but sadly cannot currently be formally trusted to output truthful information, even with conditioning.

It takes someone with prior knowledge or subsequent research in order to make use of the result. I'd say this isn't what the author was intending.

Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by spullara on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:54PM (#32349820)
Even if you got the info straight from another human being I can't imagine anyone would take it at face value and just schedule their trip.
Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by mattkrause on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:36PM (#32350118)
I wouldn't buy the tickets sight unseen, but I would trust you that it's actually a real place, actually in Croatia, and not being conflated with similar-sounding places.

Humans, unless they're disturbed or malicious, tend not to hallucinate things out of whole cloth.

Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by mrcartmeneses on Friday August 05, 2022 @01:01AM (#32351908)
So... we’ve got ML models to the point of being able to hallucinate?
Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by mattkrause on Saturday August 06, 2022 @11:50AM (#32369134)
Yup: prompt a large language model to tell you about itself and it will sometimes weave weird tales. For example, I just had the following interaction with GTP2large[0]:

Me: What is your name? Model: I'm Mark A. <continue> Dreyer, and I'm with the <continue> Federal Communications Commission (FCC)

Obviously, it's not actually a guy named Mark A. Dreyer and, as far as I can tell, there is no Mark. A. Dreyer in a prominent role at the FCC. That, as far as I'm concerned, is essentially a hallucination.

If you think about how they work, this isn't totally surprising. The model has been programmed to take the input, turn it into a series of tokens, and then produce another series of tokens that are especially likely to follow the input ones. That's it.

To the extent that this corresponds to reality, it's only because reality is overrepresented in the training data, and so token sequences corresponding to reality are often more likely under its model. This also explains how it goes off the rails: Mark is a very common name (in the top 25 for men for decades) and once you generate a stereotypical middle-aged white guy name, it's not a huge leap to him being a bureaucrat, etc. I forgot to delete the huggingface boilerplate, which talks about advances in technology (etc), which probably sent it down the FCC route too.

Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by mrcartmeneses on Monday August 08, 2022 @01:06PM (#32388163)
That’s totally wild. The visual ML output is very obviously like tripping. But what you’re describing is very similar to how someone once described being high on acid to me, where no sentence could be completed without it turning into another and another and another until it was all just gibberish. It’s an interesting feat to be at this stage simply though back propagating neural nets, but there’s a huge gulf between where we are and creating __understanding__ (he said, trying to sound smart)
Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by yarg on Friday August 05, 2022 @03:18AM (#32352796)
Hallucination in context means something rather different.

Something like coming to accept some data-set local optima as a global truth and deriving beliefs without underlying basis.

Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by hnfong on Friday August 05, 2022 @12:22PM (#32358305)
"Yes"?

The whole point of these models is to make up something that seems "realistic", but not regurgitate the original contents. If that's not hallucination I don't know what is.

Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by drc500free on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:03PM (#32349886)
Google's answer box also can't be trusted to output truthful information.
Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by ceejayoz on Thursday August 04, 2022 @09:31PM (#32350417)
Fun one today: https://www.google.com/search?q=is+fortigate+open+source

Prompt: "Is Fortigate open source?"

Article: "Based on the parameters we compared, it seems that pfSense is the more favorable solution because it is open source and also offers great features."

Google: "It is open source!"

Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by hammyhavoc on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:15PM (#32350722)
Yes, these are forever spreading disinformation on various topics in my social group. I am forever telling people to actually click and read the article rather than trust the automatic tl;dr by Google.
Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by soulofmischief on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:09PM (#32349927)
I believe this is the point that @drivebycomment was making, that answering such a query is not possible right now. The query needs to be reframed by using keywords like the GPT-3 prompt did, and even further refined than that, and you still have to finish the last mile of research.
Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by summerlight on Friday August 05, 2022 @12:48PM (#32358673)
Google simply returns human written results, so delegating the trust problem. You can track author's record and judge if they're trustworthy yourself. Doing the same thing for GPT-3 is much harder. How are you going to debug the model? Probably there is only a handful amount of people who is capable of debugging the model even with all necessary access granted. You can think it as autonomous driving which already has reached to a good level for 99% of use cases (at least for Waymo and Cruise), but no one think it's going to mass deploy robotaxi anytime soon.
Re:Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google by gmt2027 on Friday August 05, 2022 @03:42AM (#32352949)
Could this be addressed by an ensemble of GPT-3s fine tuned with different data?