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Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by AlexMuir on Sunday November 13, 2011 @06:53PM (#3232175)
This article is a bit unquestioningly gushing - although I love the creativity and concept. For starters, I can't see how it has any lateral grip. Nor is it explained how it negates the need for a hub or bearings. I assume disk brakes are used, but that's left to the imagination.

How I wish there was a news source which got down with the technicals. Thinking about it, that's the space that HN comments fill.

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by julian37 on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:20PM (#3232246)
Other articles, like this one, make it sound much more like an art project than a serious attempt to redesign the bike wheel: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/wow-bi...
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by __david__ on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:04PM (#3232208)
> For starters, I can't see how it has any lateral grip.

I thought that too. He rides the bike in the video but notice that he only goes straight and makes no turns, doesn't accelerate or decelerate very fast. There's no way there's any traction there. Now if it were covered with rubber it might work nicely.

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by dpark on Sunday November 13, 2011 @11:21PM (#3232830)
Even covered in rubber you'd have basically no traction when turning. Bicycle wheels are rounded so they still have a decent contact patch when turning.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by malbs on Sunday November 13, 2011 @11:20PM (#3232827)
my immediate thought too. "Breaking on those things would be a real pain"

looks like I'm not alone

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by podperson on Sunday November 13, 2011 @08:16PM (#3232388)
Another big question is going to be its tendency to injure people whose extremities get caught in it or are scraped by it. Bicycle wheels are relatively benign compared to this design which looks like a grater or cookie cutter. Sure, you could round things, choose less nasty materials, etc., but the price is going to go way up.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by mortenjorck on Sunday November 13, 2011 @08:35PM (#3232431)
I don't quite see the difference between metal spokes rotating at moderate RPMs and metal loops rotating at moderate RPMs.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by bronson on Monday November 14, 2011 @02:04AM (#3233215)
Spokes must have a much bigger cross-section than those loops, making them less likely to cut you. Otherwise the loop wheels would be WAY heavier.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by podperson on Monday November 14, 2011 @11:45AM (#3234629)
Imagine a cyclist riding into someone's leg with one of these wheels vs. a spoked wheel.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by davidjohnstone on Sunday November 13, 2011 @08:34PM (#3232427)
I'm guessing there aren't any brakes. That's the trendy way of doing fixed gear bikes.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by Cieplak on Sunday November 13, 2011 @09:44PM (#3232578)
Lateral grip could be created by coating the outer surface of the wheel with some sort of rubber. Rather than replacing rubber tires, you could just re-spray the wheels. Just a rough idea.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by tjpick on Sunday November 13, 2011 @09:23PM (#3232535)
> I assume disk brakes are used, but that's left to the imagination.

it looks like a fixie to me. So skid stops or low speed cruising might be your only options.

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by briguy on Sunday November 13, 2011 @09:14PM (#3232513)
Not to mention what would happen if you were hit a pothole and catch an edge.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by Game_Ender on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:12PM (#3232228)
This looks like a variation of the Tweel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweel It's drawbacks are noise and heat, this one looks like it at least has the noise problem. At high speeds it probably has the heat problem as well.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by andrewfelix on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:56PM (#3232348)
I'm no engineer, but I imagine there would be substantial energy loss through the movement within the wheel. Not to mention lack of traction with the road.

Looks like another solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Bicycle wheels are light, cheap and can be adjusted easily by changing the air pressure.

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by blhack on Sunday November 13, 2011 @06:45PM (#3232156)
Hello rolling resistance? Goodbye traction?
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by nl on Sunday November 13, 2011 @11:42PM (#3232876)
A better title: Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For an Interesting look

If you want a really smooth ride, get a fat tired 29er, put smooth but fat commuting tires on it and pump them up to as low an air pressure as possible.

It'll still have less rolling resistance than this, be quieter and smoother. It'll be horrible for any real purpose (like, say, riding...), but it will absorb road bumps well.

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by miahi on Monday November 14, 2011 @02:25AM (#3233249)
Actually, they fail to demonstrate the smooth ride. The ride in the movie is on a clean road, with no bumps.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by pmorici on Sunday November 13, 2011 @09:45PM (#3232579)
The author of this article doesn't appear to know anything about bikes.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by Groxx on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:54PM (#3232339)
I wonder if the metallic sounds during the ride were added after, or if they're the result of reducing other sounds from the video. If they're from just turning the volume down, I can't imagine these would be very widely used. Given the street sounds in the beginning of the ride, I'm thinking they might actually be that much louder than a car.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by quanticle on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:31PM (#3232280)
Did anyone else see those and think of the smartwheels that YT's board had in Snow Crash? Granted, the wheels pictured aren't actually "smart", in that they don't dynamically alter their rigidity to compensate for detected imperfections, but they're a damn good start towards a mechanism for building smartwheels.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by aaronbrethorst on Sunday November 13, 2011 @11:57PM (#3232913)
chiseled spam... yes.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by jeza on Monday November 14, 2011 @12:39AM (#3233011)
It goes to show how elegant and simple the humble bicycle is. I enjoy cycling because it's fast, efficient and peaceful. I'm not sure that this design meets that criteria at all. It might look pretty when viewed at certain angles but on the whole (particularly after hearing the sound it makes) I think its ugly.

Yet the traditional bicycle wheel with spokes works surprisingly well. It's light weight, rigid and overall quite simple. I'm averaging about one broken spoke a year at the moment but it's not too difficult to replace.

Though certainly there are incremental improvements that are useful, such as making frames/components lighter while maintaining the same strength through the use of various alloys. But I don't think I'll be changing to these new wheels anytime soon.

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by techverde on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:13PM (#3232230)
A mesmerizing design, but yea, doesn't seem practical when you think about traction. Still with some modifications, it's nice to know that we could still have bikes if rubber suddenly disappears!
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by baddox on Monday November 14, 2011 @01:57AM (#3233202)
I had to click around a bit to find the video. Here it is:

http://vimeo.com/30555070

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by ivan_ah on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:13PM (#3232229)
I am surprised this design works: I would have thought that all those pieces of metal deforming would absorb a lot of energy and slow you down.

If it were an ideal spring, E would be conserved, but I am not sure for this structure. It is reminiscent of the old style automobile suspensions.

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by gcb on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:31PM (#3232282)
It DOES slow you down. can't you notice on the video? They guy is pedaling standing up and it barely moves.

btw, this is the same concept that forces racers to use slim tires. less cushioning, but less drag.

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by andrewflnr on Sunday November 13, 2011 @08:35PM (#3232429)
It's almost exactly like the tires are always flat.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by adamtmca on Sunday November 13, 2011 @08:26PM (#3232410)
What would the equivalent of a popped tire look like? I couldn't help picturing shrapnel..
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by diziet on Sunday November 13, 2011 @06:52PM (#3232173)
It might look interesting for when you're riding at <10 mph to your local coffee shop, but I would not want to make a tight turn at 20 mph or rely on the lower coefficient of friction when making an emergency stop.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by ff0066mote on Sunday November 13, 2011 @06:54PM (#3232176)
Is it louder? Is it heavier? Is it less able to stop and turn at a moments notice?

Certainly innovative, but does this make things better?

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by latch on Sunday November 13, 2011 @08:18PM (#3232394)
It sounds louder. It looks heavier. Quack.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by danbmil99 on Sunday November 13, 2011 @06:57PM (#3232186)
wear a helmet, please
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by ghuntley on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:22PM (#3232252)
helmet? Pfft. How about attaching some brakes!

Ugh.

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by veemjeem on Sunday November 13, 2011 @08:22PM (#3232402)
Maybe he doesn't live in the USA -- other countries (like china) seem to have less percentage of bike injuries compared to here in the USA. People are blind to anything but cars here.
Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by gcb on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:32PM (#3232284)
It's art. not design.

design is the marriage of form and function.

Re:Industrial Designer Ron Arad Reinvents The Wheel For A Sm... by gcb on Sunday November 13, 2011 @07:30PM (#3232276)
See the video. it's the bumpest ride of all history.

utter crap. and i'm not even trying to figure out how to break!

if you want "A Smoother Ride" get a 29er