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Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by h0l0cube on Saturday July 30, 2022 @07:07PM (#32291284)
> if they did go ahead we would've had decades less coal burning

If they did go ahead without safety measures, and had an incident, the plant would likely be shut down, and then you have the domino effect that Fukishima had (e.g., Germany shutting down all their plants). Nuclear can be viable when both proper safety can be ensured economically, and when that surety can be shared by its voting population

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by bb88 on Saturday July 30, 2022 @10:11PM (#32292511)
> If they did go ahead without safety measures, and had an incident, the plant would likely be shut down

Three Mile Island had two close calls. The first was the reactor was only 30-60 minutes from going into complete meltdown. The second was potentially using a faulty crane to remove the lid of the reactor vessel. Either one of those would have made large areas of dense urban area unlivable.

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by actinium226 on Sunday July 31, 2022 @12:30AM (#32293184)
Why is nuclear judged by near misses while coal pollutes like crazy daily and causes real lung damage and no one bats an eye?
Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by dillondoyle on Sunday July 31, 2022 @12:38AM (#32293221)
* real death.

Quick googling shows wildly different numbers, but the lowest study in top results says 1 million per year from coal alone.

All global warming + pollution is way higher. One study estimated 1 in 5 deaths. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00139...

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by Gwypaas on Sunday July 31, 2022 @11:16AM (#32296090)
Because coal is not an alternative today, renewables are and they have miniscule external pollution in relation to everything else.
Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by kortilla on Sunday July 31, 2022 @05:23PM (#32298971)
No, renewables are not an alternative to fossil fuels. That’s why natural gas and coal fire plants are still being cranked out today.
Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by Gwypaas on Sunday July 31, 2022 @05:29PM (#32299024)
Seems to work just fine? This will of course penetrate down to less ideal locations as costs continue to decline.

> South Australia is at the vanguard of the global energy transition, having transformed its energy system from 1% to over 60% renewable energy in just over 15 years.

> By 2025/2026, the Australian Energy Market Operator forecasts this could rise to approximately 85%.

> South Australia’s aspiration is to achieve 100% net renewables by 2030. In 2021, South Australia met 100% of its operational demand from renewable resources on 180 days (49%).

https://www.energymining.sa.gov.au/industry/modern-energy/le...

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by kortilla on Monday August 01, 2022 @09:58AM (#32306020)
Your examples don’t support your point. 60% renewable isn’t enough and they aren’t even into the hardest part of replacing the base load at that level.

> South Australia’s aspiration is to achieve 100% net renewables by 2030

That link you sent is bleak. They just now are hitting the point where renewable generation causes excess energy during peak solar hours sometimes. They have no concrete plans to store at the scale required to actually get through the troughs. They are just now beginning to kick the tires on storage projects which is where much of the southwestern US was a decade ago.

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by Gwypaas on Monday August 01, 2022 @12:05PM (#32308081)
1 to 60% was possible in 15 years. All the while we have had these cost curves for wind and solar. [1] So you're saying the last 40% is going to be completely impossible and wreck the grid?

Like, I just don't understand your negativity. Projecting to reach 85% renewable penetration in ~3 years and it is a bleak outlook? You're looking for a magic finger snap and it is 100% tomorrow?

[1]: https://www.lazard.com/media/451886/grphx_lcoe-09.png

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by kortilla on Monday August 01, 2022 @10:59PM (#32314685)
>So you're saying the last 40% is going to be completely impossible and wreck the grid?

Without massive storage, yes. The 60% it picked up is the easy part of the demand that follows the renewable production. The last 40% is 95%+ of the difficult work.

The difference here is making a rocket that gets to space vs one that achieves orbit. They seem similar but they aren’t even in the same league.

>Like, I just don't understand your negativity.

It’s not negativity, it’s what has happened in every country that is a decade or more ahead of Australia here. Australia is not magic, it has nighttimes and slow winds like every other place on the planet. This problem has plagued everyone at the head of the technology curve here and there still isn’t a solution. What do you think Australia will do differently?

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by pfdietz on Saturday July 30, 2022 @11:46PM (#32292976)
When was this crane thing? It would have been long after the reactor had reached cold shutdown, so what exactly was the accident it was supposed to have almost caused?
Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by keneda7 on Sunday July 31, 2022 @01:54AM (#32293530)
Not the OP but the crane incident was shortly after the first incident. The higher ups wanted to use the polar crane to lift a bunch of radioactive debris out of the core that almost melted down. At least one of the workers (Rick Parks) ended up whistleblowing over it because the crane was the same one that was there during the incident and most likely had taken damage. He was concerned the crane would fail while lifting the radioactive debris out (around 1000 lbs of it) and fall back onto the core. Check out the Netflix document Meltdown: Three mile Island for more info.
Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by pfdietz on Sunday July 31, 2022 @08:51AM (#32295183)
Yeah, that "shortly after"... the reactor top wasn't lifted off until FIVE YEARS after the accident.

So I ask again: just what horrible public-relevant accident is supposed to have nearly happened here? I can't imagine anything that would have caused anything catastrophic. The lid falling back onto the reactor vessel wouldn't be that.

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by keneda7 on Monday August 01, 2022 @02:14PM (#32310023)
Sorry for the late response. The fear was that the crane would fail and drop the debris back into the core and set off a nuclear explosion.
Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by pfdietz on Monday August 01, 2022 @06:27PM (#32312899)
They added large amounts of borate to the water before opening the top. There was no way it was going to go critical (and if it had, it would at best have been a steam explosion, not a nuclear bomb, as the chain reaction if it could have occurred at all would have been with slow thermal neutrons.)
Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by bondarchuk on Sunday July 31, 2022 @08:32AM (#32295076)
This is also in Moral Mazes somewhere, if you prefer a written summary.
Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by deevolution on Sunday July 31, 2022 @12:36AM (#32293216)
The natural disaster was responsible for killing people, not the nuclear meltdown... maybe if we had been consistently building nuclear since the 60s we wouldn't be in this global warming catastrophe? Obviously speculation, but I'm curious what our global CO2 levels would be if all the major industrialized nations transitioned to 100% nuclear Over the last 60 years. Anyone happen to have some charts?
Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by spfzero on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:14AM (#32293870)
The majority of the man-made CO2 in the atmosphere today comes from power generation IIRC. A lot also comes from transportation, but less than power generation.

If what you say took place, along with the solar and wind power advances that happened, we'd at least be looking at a lot longer warming runway than we are today.

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by ant6n on Sunday July 31, 2022 @02:05AM (#32293577)
The plant couldn’t deal with an electricity outage for 24h.
Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by spfzero on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:07AM (#32293837)
An outage that was caused by something that, through a rare confluence of events, also destroyed their outage-backup-plan. The plant could have easily dealt with most power outages.

Not to say there isn't a lesson to be learned, obviously, but to say the plant couldn't deal with an outage is ingenuous at minimum.

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by denton-scratch on Sunday July 31, 2022 @08:50AM (#32295173)
> but to say the plant couldn't deal with an outage is ingenuous at minimum.

Did you mean "disingenuous"? "Ingenuous" means lacking in guile or craftiness. "Disingenuous" means having the intent to deceive, and is used much more often.

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by ant6n on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:10AM (#32294112)
Battery backup was good for 8h. Seems pretty risky to me, there are many scenarios thinkable where a power outage for more than 8h could occur.

For example some natural disaster, which across ubiquitously deployed nuclear would occur every day somewhere on earth.

Re:US regulators will certify first small nuclear reactor de... by spfzero on Sunday July 31, 2022 @05:14AM (#32294380)
>there are many scenarios thinkable where a power outage for more than 8h could occur.

Sure, and they thought of them, which is why they had generators as well as batteries.