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Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by axblount on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @03:28PM (#32255523)
I think Tariq Fancy does a good job of breaking down why ESG and sustainable investing as a whole is bunk: https://medium.com/@sosofancy/the-secret-diary-of-a-sustaina...

He also summarizes his thoughts on Doug Henwood's podcast: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9zaG91dC5sYm8tdGF...

Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by makomk on Thursday July 28, 2022 @04:58AM (#32261921)
He still doesn't really get it. The big problem with ESG is that the entire fundamental premise pushed by the media that inspired it is a lie: the world isn't emitting masses of greenhouse gases just because it means more profits for big corporations, and the main consequence of fossil fuel corporations not pumping out so much fuel isn't that they and their shareholders make less money. Ordinary comsumers really do get direct benefits from fossil fuels, this isn't just some clever propaganda line big fossil fuel came up with to protect their profits.

We've actually seen this demonstrated, though not via BlackRock (because the idea that they were somehow responsible was another lie pushed by the media to give people someone to hate). ESG campaigners have successfully discouraged investment in new fossil fuel extraction in much of the world. The world's consumption of fossil fuels is now being strangled at the source, exactly as publications like the Guardian campaigned for them to be. The consequences? Fossil fuel corporation profits at record highs and ordinary people unable to afford food and heating - which is of course exactly what you'd expect to happen when there's insufficient supply, with prices being driven up until people are forced to reduce their use of fossil fuels and the profits going to those that chose to carry on produciung and not starve and freeze the poor further.

Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by Gasp0de on Thursday July 28, 2022 @06:00AM (#32262407)
That is such a short sighted answer I don't even know if I should reply to it as it is most probably intentional propaganda, but here it goes:

Obviously, the end consumer profits from cheap energy. However, the energy from fossil fuels is only cheaper because it massively destroys our planet, a cost which is not currently paid by those producing or using those fossil fuels. Also, renewable energy nowadays would be cheaper than fossil fuels even if you ignore the reparation costs, if there were enough of them built yet. However, some politicians (in cooperation with fossil fuel companies) do what they can to prolong this process because they want to profit from fossil fuels as long as possible.

Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by TomSwirly on Thursday July 28, 2022 @05:15AM (#32262058)
"Let's not call the fire department, because they would break the windows. Let's sit here in the living room and wait for the fire to burn out."

So what's your game plan, then?

Continue to burn fossil fuels and guarantee +5Cº and up? This is death for our descendents and for a million non-human species.

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Also, I note a large number of claims about the real world, claims which seem wildly false, yet none of them do you actually prove with facts, data, citations or anything.

Given that your basic argument is, "We can't afford not to kill our ecosystem," I think you are going to need more than that.

Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @05:14PM (#32257067)
Does he actually have a point in amongst the rambling name dropping I gave up hope somewhere around the Swedish Souffle anecdote and abandoned the article.
Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by abirch on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @05:24PM (#32257191)
Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by WillPostForFood on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @06:34PM (#32257905)
He believes there is a lot of money to be made, so he he supports it enthusiastically. It doesn’t reflect on whether he thinks it is good for society or the planet.
Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by abirch on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @07:43PM (#32258561)
He believes in climate change: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/30/billionaire-ray-dalio-on-why...

You can see how he quantifies carbon emissions. https://www.bridgewater.com/research-and-insights/sustainabl...

If he was only concerned with making money, you'd think he'd have jumped into digital currencies.

Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by adament on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @11:35PM (#32260217)
He has or at least Bridgewater has been pushing an allocation to Bitcoin in some of their Daily Observations in the last 1 or 2 years.
Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by abirch on Thursday July 28, 2022 @04:53PM (#32269972)
Their allocation is no more than. Not a minimum.

He stated here that he wouldn't put in more money than he's comfortable in losing 80% in: https://www.bridgewater.com/research-and-insights/our-though...

Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by adament on Friday July 29, 2022 @05:53AM (#32274971)
I am sorry but I cannot parse your first paragraph, so I do not understand your point. Thus I have written a general reply to your link.

I do not read any clear recommendation for or against Bitcoin in the link you have given (maybe I did not read it carefully enough).

It might be my understanding of Bridgewater that is wrong, but I think of them as mainly targeting institutional investors and high net-worth clients. So when Mr. Dalio writes “Bitcoin looks like a long-duration option on a highly unknown future that I could put an amount of money in that I wouldn’t mind losing about 80% of.” I do not think of that as dissuading an allocation to bitcoin at all, he is merely warning about the size of the allocation, in contrast in the same letter he talks about Bitcoins gold like properties and he has generally been quite vocal about the benefits of an allocation to gold, so I take that as a positive overall impression.

Though I think the daily observations from 2022-01-14 is much clearer as a recommendation for bitcoin. In it they write about how Bitcoin and Ether are now large and liquid enough for them to be worth the time of institutional investors to look into. And they write that they think institutional adoption is likely to pick up in coming years.

I might be reading too much into it, but when I read the piece I got the clear impression that it was a recommendation to make a small allocation to bitcoin. After all who does not want to get in before the big institutional investors?

Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by crackercrews on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @05:15PM (#32257087)
Another good read on ESG's shortcomings is Woke Inc. [1]

1: https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Inc-Corporate-Americas-Justice/d...

Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by evmar on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @04:46PM (#32256700)
The Economist podcast had an episode on ESG (likely related to the article) and they had Tariq Fancy come on that podcast:

https://www.economist.com/esg-pod

Re:ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions by olddustytrail on Wednesday July 27, 2022 @05:03PM (#32256935)
Having started to read the "breakdown" I'm unsure I want to listen to the podcast.

Any chance of a tldr for that? The linked blog is too purile for my taste.