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Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by paulsutter on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:16AM (#32237840)
Google needs a support department that charges an outlandish-seeming hourly rate to handle issues like this. Maybe they charge $1000 an hour, maybe more. Whatever it costs them to provide the service (a lot)

Is there a reason they don't do this? Could it be abused by spammers?

Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by Varqu on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:25AM (#32237956)
I think the main problem with Google is that they apparently treat Human Customer Support as the worst possible Evil.

Of course, it is not feasible to provide it to all users, but in case of Google even if you spend in the range of XX thousands - Y million $ per year with them, you have a very hard time speaking with a human being, even if SHTF.

From my basic business understanding, it wouldn't cost them that much to provide better support considering their $75 billion profit in 2021 [1]

[1] https://abc.xyz/investor/static/pdf/2021Q4_alphabet_earnings...

Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by paganel on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:45AM (#32238185)
> Of course, it is not feasible to provide it to all users

Maybe it should be made illegal to provide paid services without adequate customer support, just pushing the costs back onto the customer, which is what Google is doing, is pure fraud.

Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by lotsofpulp on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @10:04AM (#32238413)
That would be ironic since government customer support is many times getting a hold of your local representative and hoping they take up your cause.
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by corrral on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @10:28AM (#32238754)
Private-sector customer support can also mean contacting your local representative and hoping they take up your cause. That tactic once got a health insurer of mine to stop trying to wait us out and just pay the damn bill they were supposed to pay.
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by agileAlligator on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @10:35AM (#32238846)
If you know Google doesn't provide adequate customer support, just don't use it?
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by Varqu on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:13AM (#32239479)
Easier said than done - for example: You have a business which was review-bombed with 1-star reviews on Google Maps. If you are in B2C, you are now bleeding money and good luck getting your entry removed from Google properties.
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by LegitShady on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:35AM (#32239758)
how would you know that until they do it to you? what does "adequate" mean legally?
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by justinbaker84 on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @10:26AM (#32238724)
I manage about $210K a month in ad spend and the support I get is terrible. I would gladly pay a fee to get good support.
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by austinpena on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @10:16AM (#32238568)
> Of course, it is not feasible to provide it to all users, but in case of Google even if you spend in the range of XX thousands - Y million $ per year with them, you have a very hard time speaking with a human being, even if SHTF.

That's not my experience. Unless your whole account is suspended you can usually get through to a human on ad disapprovals.

Many accounts I've been on in the XX thousands - Y million $ per year range also get dedicated contacts (glorified sales people) that can sometimes help with disapprovals.

Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by ethbr0 on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:25AM (#32237948)
Googles needs a support department that charges customers a seemingly outlandish rate to handle issues like this... and internally bills the ultimately-responsible team the same rate.

Amazon of old understood from the beginning that the only enterprise flywheel that scales is tying customer experience directly to internal costs (e.g. generous returns for screw ups, providing realtime feedback and pain on supply chain issues).

Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by saco on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:22AM (#32237912)
If we can't automate it, fuck you.
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by NullPrefix on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:26AM (#32237967)
It's not about the cost. Ability to reason with a blackbox can give insights into how it operates which translates into knowledge on how to bypass restrictions.
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by danbulant on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @10:30AM (#32238778)
Fairly sure that's one of the reason for this. Had similar issue with Discord - removed the ability to add my Discord bot to new servers but refused to provide any reason or fix the issue. But unlike here, they said they're eager to see a new bot instead..
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by paulsutter on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:44AM (#32239854)
thanks - you’ve answered the question. this is how spammers would exploit such a service
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by px43 on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:37AM (#32238096)
1. Lots of unpredictable overhead tackling an intractable problem.

2. Humans are yucky.

3. I really think they don't want more customers. Seems like their plan was to scrape the bottom of the barrel and catch whoever ended up there, and for an assortment of reasons, they ended up getting a massive amount of customers. If people want some fancy white glove service, plenty of other options are available, they have no need to compete in that space.

Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by carreau on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @11:45AM (#32239874)
If it's ever a problem with the Jupyter trademark, you should be able to contact the Jupyter Trademark committee [email protected]. I'm not part of it anymore, but they might be able to help with any TM related thing. It may have been autodetection of the "Jupyter" keyword on a non Jupyter domain ?
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by roelschroeven on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @10:10AM (#32238487)
How is it acceptable to charge outlandish rates to handle issues that are completely of their own making?
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by teddyh on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @10:15AM (#32238548)
Not dissimilar to credit monitoring services.
Re:Why is it so hard to give Google money? by TheChaplain on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @09:25AM (#32237953)
Having a support department cost money, not only staff costs but infrastructure and software to manage/solve the issues.

I'm sure they have calculated on it, and found it's not worth it unless you bring in some serious dough in advertising for them.