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Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by ttiurani on Monday July 25, 2022 @10:19AM (#32224643)
The bitcoin support is a huge red flag for me. I really hope they scrap that.
Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by Geee on Monday July 25, 2022 @11:50AM (#32226128)
It's actually really great. In many cases P2P failed, because of lack of ways to transfer value, compared to centralized services. P2P + LN might be the way for P2P renaissance.

It's also a better and more correct way to use bitcoin just as money, and not as some kind of ownership token, which plagues the web3 scene. The core purpose of money is to be interoperable, to allow all kinds of goods and services to be traded in a common unit and payment network.

Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by jeroenhd on Monday July 25, 2022 @01:01PM (#32227323)
When I chat to my friends and family the last thing I want to do is "transfer value". My bank app allows me to send money to my friends and family in seconds and to create quick payment requests as well.

Perhaps this app is just for blockchain people? If it's another Internet of Coins app then that explains the vague website and the lack of things like privacy policies.

I do find it funny that they've added rules about linking to their website to their terms and conditions. As if they have any right to control the way people link to them.

Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by aaaaaaaaata on Monday July 25, 2022 @02:37PM (#32228957)
> When I chat to my friends and family the last thing I want to do is "transfer value".

Congratulations on your family being financially stable!

Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by jeroenhd on Tuesday July 26, 2022 @03:42AM (#32235469)
Funny that you would assume that.

I use dedicated banking apps to "transfer value" because they're easy to use, secure, developed by a party I trust, and have legal protection from by law.

I get it, shittier countries don't have easy (or any) access to good banks. I still maintain that these value transfers should be done through their separate, secured and verified apps, no matter the transaction mechanism. Send money in the form of NFTs if that's what you want, but do so through an app that's built to do so securely, not some random NodeJS chat app.

Hell, because of the peer to peer nature of this thing, people's contacts can easily be tracked by the government. Good luck convincing the tax auditor that you didn't in fact send your parents a bunch of money when they have the connection logs to show it, enjoy paying unscrupulous taxes to your oppressive government. I'll take my alternative payment system offline or through a trusted third party server, thank you very much.

Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by jagger27 on Monday July 25, 2022 @12:54PM (#32227186)
Not everything needs to be monetized and microtransacted.
Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by djschnei on Monday July 25, 2022 @10:24AM (#32224720)
The bitcoin/Lightning support is a huge positive for me. I really hope they keep that.
Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by utnap1shtim on Monday July 25, 2022 @10:33AM (#32224844)
Agreed! P2P Comms + P2P Payments completes the digital revolution in publishing! That being said, I hope they open source the platform and the community introduces many payment options - including more traditional CC processing. Venmo, Cashapp, Zelle integrations would be insane!
Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by tossl568 on Monday July 25, 2022 @11:32AM (#32225803)
Me too. Layer 1 Bitcoin with Layer 2 lightning is really exciting for open payments.
Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by razemio on Monday July 25, 2022 @12:57PM (#32227250)
I can understand if someone doesn't agree with the values and effects of Bitcoin but how on earth can this be a HUGE red flag?
Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by ttiurani on Thursday July 28, 2022 @04:42AM (#32261810)
Any mention of bitcoins typically means a full-on commitment to cryptocurrencies.

And I don't think I was wrong, because found out only later that this is funded by Tether and Bitfinex. The actual purpose of this project seems to be to pump the value of the owner's cryptocurrencies. So a hard pass from me.

Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by razemio on Thursday July 28, 2022 @04:22PM (#32269650)
I do not understand your view point. This does not make "Keet" bad software. It is actually a good idea regarding decentralization. So why the red flag? How does this "pump" the value of crypto? A pump always refers to a manipulation of the market. If people use it, and it is the next "killer app" the value of crypto would indeed rise but for valid reasons.

Don't get me wrong. I am nutural towards bitfinex. Haven't had to deal with them until now. I would wait how the project develops and then maybe give it a chance.

Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by ttiurani on Friday July 29, 2022 @11:37AM (#32278323)
> It is actually a good idea regarding decentralization.

I absolutely agree: hypercore, their DHT and holepunching work is excellent.

My frustration stems from the fact that nothing in the innovative part of Keet needs cryptocurrencies. Now "pump" was the wrong term there. I meant cryptocurrency businesses are trying desperately to find any semi legitimate use cases for their tech becauae if they do, that'll cause the value of the coins they own to go up, and thus making them richer. Without that awkwardly bolted on Bitcoin nonsense in Keet neither of the funding companies would have given them a dime.

The red flag is because the good of keet does not negate the bad of promoting cryptocurrencies. Cryptocurrencies are a technological dead end, politically totally against everything I stand for, and morally bankrupt wrt the ecological disaster that is PoW and the pyramid scheme with the already powerful and or wealthy reaping even more for themselves.

I'm also not alone here, see e.g. https://concerned.tech

Furthermore Keet developers' decision to accept that money makes me doubt their judgement, and question where their startup will end up.

For those reasons, I won't use nor recommend keet to anyone.

Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by trinsic2 on Monday July 25, 2022 @11:02AM (#32225329)
That's another huge warning sign for me. Bitcoin looks like another system of control from the financial perspective.
Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by tossl568 on Monday July 25, 2022 @11:31AM (#32225783)
An open, censorship resistant financial protocol is a system of control? How does that work?
Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by tazard on Monday July 25, 2022 @04:28PM (#32230471)
Just don't use Bitcoin then? Red flag for what exactly?
Re:Keet – P2P Video and Text by tossl568 on Monday July 25, 2022 @11:32AM (#32225792)
Why? Bitcoin is great and nobody is forcing anyone to use it.