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Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by baby on Sunday July 24, 2022 @04:40AM (#32211567)
Blaming something on the user is very very common everywhere. For example with car accidents (drunk drivers), guns (mentally ill people), etc.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by smusamashah on Sunday July 24, 2022 @04:53AM (#32211619)
Car accidents and guns are not the same as an automatic robot. You could compare this to tesla. Users are blamed when it's the sole responsibility of user on how that thing can be used.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by amelius on Sunday July 24, 2022 @05:29AM (#32211737)
Eh, even Tesla blames the user and their shady EULA lets them get away with it.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by EUROCARE on Sunday July 24, 2022 @06:50AM (#32212148)
It's the law and courts that let them get away with it, not EULA.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by amelius on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:12AM (#32212280)
Well, as a company you can choose to do the right thing, or you can choose to weasel your way out of uncomfortable situations using lawyers and the fact that the law is always lagging behind technological development.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by EUROCARE on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:38AM (#32212456)
Musk has been talking about self driving cars for over a decade. Law has had enough time to catch up.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by amelius on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:53AM (#32212551)
That is not the user's fault.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by EUROCARE on Sunday July 24, 2022 @08:04AM (#32212616)
No, but it is the government's.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by amelius on Sunday July 24, 2022 @08:12AM (#32212678)
Exploiting the sloppiness of the government and using it against the user is not what I would call good behavior.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by EUROCARE on Sunday July 24, 2022 @08:48AM (#32212941)
Still, the situation at hand is primarily fault of the government - which should've taken care of it at the very least 5 years ago, or sooner. It isn't a problem exclusive to Tesla, Mercedes has a very similar feature called Drive Pilot (introduced in 2013 IIRC) and except for the most recent model year a malfunction is a problem of the user just like with Teslas.

BTW this isn't even about any lawyers and EULAs, there's simply no legal way how a company like Tesla or Mercedes could take responsibility for a crash, so IMHO Tesla is at least nice enough to spell it out, unlike Mercedes.

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by amelius on Sunday July 24, 2022 @11:54AM (#32214649)
> there's simply no legal way how a company like Tesla or Mercedes could take responsibility for a crash

This seems unlikely to be true, unless of course they weaseled themselves in this position.

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by EUROCARE on Sunday July 24, 2022 @12:36PM (#32215063)
Read through the laws about deciding blame in car crashes. There isn't a single word about transferring blame to the manufacturer, and thus it's not possible - and the law specifically says that the driver has responsibility. Nobody had to specifically weasel themselves into it, just the states kept sleeping a decade too long.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by amelius on Sunday July 24, 2022 @01:15PM (#32215525)
I'm not going to read through law texts, but I'm sure that there are provisions for the case where the manufacturer made a design error and is responsible for a crash.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by EUROCARE on Sunday July 24, 2022 @01:42PM (#32215789)
This isn't the case though, the car works as advertised and licensed, the problem here is that the law makes the driver responsible for something they shouldn't be.