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Re:Be careful how you pay the bills by bluefirebrand on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @11:07PM (#32175315)
You're delusional if you think we would still have phones at all in the setup you are hinting at but not really explaining .

The idea that you can just not work is not realistic.

The "pointy stick" you are talking about is nature, as in we will die without working to survive. You aren't entitled to the labour of others to ensure your survival.

You can either work at survival, eg: growing food to eat, building shelter, making clothes, etc, or you can have others do that while you provide something else.

Re:Be careful how you pay the bills by jrm4 on Thursday July 21, 2022 @11:19AM (#32180426)
"Everyone has to breathe to live."

No reasonable person FACTUALLY disputes what you're saying about work; it's so something-like-tautological and obvious that you should all think about why people seem to parrot it over and over.

It's not because human beings are likely to keel over and stop working in the face of nature. It's because it's a longstanding political wedge used by the powerful to get working classes to go against each other.

Re:Be careful how you pay the bills by bluefirebrand on Thursday July 21, 2022 @01:57PM (#32182599)
I never said anything about breathing. I'm talking about access food, shelter, security. These aren't even remotely comparable to breathing, because they rely on the labour of other people to maintain consistent access to. Farms don't get planted without help from neighbors, houses don't get built, towns don't stay safe and clean and happy without a lot of work from a lot of people. Don't even get me started about indoor plumbing, or the internet.

Even if you are willing to go back in time to a simple farm in a small town, you are still taking for granted that you will have people helping you survive. And you still aren't entitled to their labour. They will help you plant your field if you help them plant theirs. The scale of our society has changed, but the transactions haven't.

In any case, you seem dead set on misrepresenting or misunderstanding what I'm saying. If you're not going to address my actual arguments, then kindly get lost. You're wasting my time