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Re:High property taxes are good by spicymaki on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @01:28PM (#32169196)
This is local democracy in action. Vested landowners can put up barriers to entry to prop up their investments. They can also hand it down to their family, entrenching wealth for generations. Sucks to be an outsider.
Re:High property taxes are good by parineum on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @04:20PM (#32171710)
The biggest barrier to entry for first time home buyers is by far mortgage rates.

Low mortgage rates cause house values to go up because value is based on what an affordable monthly payment for that house.

Low rates means value goes up to equalize payments which is mostly superfluous for people with only one home and good for anyone with investment property but it causes a 20% down payment to be an unsurmountable barrier to entry for those looking to enter the market.

Home ownership is one if not the best way for families to generationally escape poverty.

Re:High property taxes are good by 999900000999 on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @07:36PM (#32173852)
If we're talking California, I'd argue a 200k down payment on a million dollar house is a bigger barrier.
Re:High property taxes are good by parineum on Thursday July 21, 2022 @04:00AM (#32176875)
That's exactly my point. If a house is a million dollars with a 3% loan, that house will be significantly cheaper with a 15% loan but the payments will remain relatively static making a 20% down payment significantly easier for those who are trying to get in the market for the first time.

When people bring up the prices of houses for baby boomers they totally overlook the interest rates and monthly payments.

The price of a house doesn't really matter. The payment and the down payment are what matter and the volatility of those isn't based on the piece of land changing value (in the shorter term).

In the last 6 years, my house doubled in value. Also, I recently refinanced for less than half the rate.

When borrowing money is cheap, there's a lot more competition for things bought with loans. On the other hand, the market rates for rent don't really change because the people don't suddenly have more disposable income.

Re:High property taxes are good by imtringued on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @07:10PM (#32173618)
How would you value a perpetuity?

If the present and future are worth the same, then the value of land is practically infinite because millions of generations of humans can use it. The obvious problem in this case is that nobody should own land forever.

Re:High property taxes are good by parineum on Thursday July 21, 2022 @04:04AM (#32176890)
Unless you know someone that lives forever, nobody does.
Re:High property taxes are good by jeffbee on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @01:50PM (#32169577)
Local example of this in action. In Berkeley there were two candidates for District 4 supervisor in 2022: the incumbent, who owns two houses, each worth over $2 million, and the challenger, a renter. The challenger had to withdraw from the race because his rent was increased to a level he can no longer afford.
Re:High property taxes are good by rahimnathwani on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @01:43PM (#32169467)
"They can also hand it down to their family, entrenching wealth for generations."

Not any more.

Re:High property taxes are good by gnicholas on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:58PM (#32170536)
I think this new rule only applies to property that is inherited and not lived in by the inheritor (e.g., rental property or vacation home). If you inherit a home and live in it, I think you can still keep the old property tax basis. There may be some dollar value limitations or other rules I’m not remembering though.

EDIT: just checked, the property value can go up by $1M from when it was purchased without the inheritor owing additional tax. [1] Beyond that, tax is due on the incremental additional appreciation. In reality, this will only affect properties in a few metro areas (Bay Area, LA, OC, SD) and certain beachside properties. This isn't to say that the law is good or bad, just to describe the scope of its likely impact.

1: https://www.cunninghamlegal.com/california-legal-services/ca...

Re:High property taxes are good by rahimnathwani on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:07PM (#32170657)
IIRC the taxable value (not sure of the technical term)goes up by up to $1MM
Re:High property taxes are good by throwaway_4ever on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @07:23PM (#32173729)
No, it's $1m of taxable value increase is waived if and only if a parent's only home is sold/transferred to a child's only home.

Example 1: Bay Area home $1.7m; old taxable value $300k, new taxable value $700k (1.7m - 1m), prop taxes ~9k/year.

Example 2: Fresno home $700k; old taxable value $200k, new taxable value $200k (700k - 1m, so no affect)

Grandparent's home? Parent's second home? Child's second home? Uncle's home? Sibling's home?

No. Bay home is now $1.7m taxable, $21k/year

Re:High property taxes are good by gautamdivgi on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:18PM (#32170804)
You can via trusts. If you have a $2m house put it in a trust.
Re:High property taxes are good by HWR_14 on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @01:56PM (#32169679)
Why not? What changed?
Re:High property taxes are good by rahimnathwani on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:33PM (#32170198)
Prop 19