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Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by hikingsimulator on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:03AM (#32162013)
Not when Macron and co. tries every day to erode social benefits acquired by more than a century of political struggle.

Work in France is importantly a vector for socialization. This seemed to be a foreign consideration to a lot of Americans from what I've witnessed. It's so easy to get fired in the US that considering coworkers are more than acquaintances -- trying to make friends -- is a "bad investment."

Most French people would also rather say that work is "chiant" (boring) rather than bad.

Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by anakaine on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:21AM (#32162151)
Many in the US look at socialist ideals as though they are evil and will destroy everything. Just as many seem to confuse them with communism.

Importantly, socialist and communist societies are different, and there is no successful nation that is purely one or the other. Successful nations with high standards of living and overall higher than average levels of life satisfaction have socialised elements, such as healthcare.

Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by hikingsimulator on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:34AM (#32162252)
France is not a socialist country. It just has a somewhat okay welfare state.
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by anakaine on Thursday July 21, 2022 @04:41PM (#32184732)
Never claimed it was a socialist country. Did point out that socialised health care was a feature. Unsure what's being clarified here, or why.
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by nopenopenopeno on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:42AM (#32162314)
And it has that thanks to socialists
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by frozencell on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @07:05AM (#32164008)
It seems that France, more and more socialist at the time since 1929(?), didn't want to attack the socialist-communists: German National Socialists + URSS in 1939/40 because of their alliance. and that would be why the need to surrender was so important despite pretty-okay infantry, chars and generals.
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by jeltz on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @08:37AM (#32164866)
What? France surrendered because they realized they would lose the war whatever they did. Also Vichy France was very much Catholic right-wing.
Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by frozencell on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @07:03AM (#32163984)
> chiant

When hearing French people using the word chiant (comes from chier=to shit) it shows to me the sequel of decades of education destruction in the country, as they are hundred better or more diverse words to express the emotion behind "chiant".

Re:A brief history of nobody wants to work anymore by Mikushi on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @04:00PM (#32171383)
Don't think alternative words quite convey the same meaning/weight.

Something like pénible for example doesn't feel quite equal, more something I'd use to describe someone. Bassinant would not quite feel as heavy as well. Barber/barbe may be.

Overall chiant/faire chier is just much more common and conveys the meaning quite well and accurately when it comes to work.