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Re:VanMoof’s team of ‘bike hunters’ appears to succeed where... by jillesvangurp on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @06:23PM (#32158768)
A pattern you see with these bikes is that people mostly don't bother to mess with them after they learn about the counter measures. Basically, there are several levels of protection. 1) if it is locked, it will make some noise when people mess with it. 2) When they don't stop, it will make a lot of noise. And it escalates quickly to ear piercing levels. There is no way you can pick this up and just walk way with it unnoticed unless you can unlock the bike or dismantle it without setting off the alarm. A light touch will do that. 3) if by any chance you do succeed in stealing it while not drawing the attention of the entire neighborhood, it has a tracker. 4) if you manage to disable all of that, you basically have a product that is relatively hard to sell because world + dog knows they might have to hand it over in the likely case that they are caught by the bike hunters. Because so few thefts escalate to that, VanMoof can afford to spare no expenses on trying to track thieves down and keeping victims pacified with a replacement bike. It's a simple insurance that works and actually lowers their risk.

It's not impossible to steal one of course but it adds up to a lot of trouble and risk for not a lot of payoff. Most bike thieves would prioritize easier, less risky, and more valuable targets.

I use Swapfiets, which is a Dutch bike leasing startup. I just pay a monthly fee and don't worry about theft, repairs, etc. There are many thousands of them across Berlin; hundreds of thousands across many European cities. Nobody ever messes with these bikes. They are so recognizable that there's no point in stealing one. No bike hunters required for this. It has no tracker or alarm. I've had one for two years in Berlin and nobody ever messes with it. And it's a decent bike too. I park it wherever I want including some places where I would never park any bike I own like the train station, rough neighborhoods, etc. It's great. I can go anywhere I like in the city, leave the bike on the street for a few hours and it will still be there when I come back. I do this every day. They have electrical ones too. They are very popular with delivery services.

Re:VanMoof’s team of ‘bike hunters’ appears to succeed where... by lom on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @06:59PM (#32159076)
Video of “the neighborhood being alerted” and... doing nothing against a bike thief. https://youtu.be/UGttmR2DTY8
Re:VanMoof’s team of ‘bike hunters’ appears to succeed where... by jillesvangurp on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:31AM (#32162223)
Does not invalidate the point. Most people stealing stuff would want to minimize their exposure. In this case, the dude is on camera even. Not a good thing if you get caught. We're talking drug addicts looking for some quick money here. So, are they going to touch a bike that that they know will make a lot of noise and alert every cop in a mile radius? Of course they won't. They'll walk away from that every time.

Some of them occasionally will try anyway and that's where the bike hunters come in. We're not talking Sherlock Holmes here. This is simply about chasing down idiots that steal bikes and the scum that buys the bikes knowing full well what they are buying. Easiest job ever, these are not criminal master minds.

Re:VanMoof’s team of ‘bike hunters’ appears to succeed where... by turbinerneiter on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:09AM (#32162058)
Honestly, I'd assume he lost his key ...

Best way to get away with some crime is to act all casual about it. Wear a warning west, you can even got one printed with some official town logo the people will recognize.

Re:VanMoof’s team of ‘bike hunters’ appears to succeed where... by smegsicle on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @07:14PM (#32159207)
eh he's not bothering anybody tho, until he starts making a racket with the dremel or whatever
Re:VanMoof’s team of ‘bike hunters’ appears to succeed where... by lobocinza on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @08:26PM (#32159770)
Might work on Germany but on Brazil those that tried this model faced issues with stolen and vandalized bikes. People were stealing bike components that on principle weren't compatible with no other bike.
Re:VanMoof’s team of ‘bike hunters’ appears to succeed where... by PcChip on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @06:49PM (#32158998)
>They are so recognizable that there's no point in stealing one

What does this mean? why don't they get stolen?

Re:VanMoof’s team of ‘bike hunters’ appears to succeed where... by tomklein on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @06:55PM (#32159041)
Swapfiets builds their own bikes and does not - never ever - sell them. If one gets stolen, it can‘t be resold without one noticing it’s stolen, as these are not in circulation in the first place and still owned by the company that built them
Re:VanMoof’s team of ‘bike hunters’ appears to succeed where... by harambae on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @07:42PM (#32159435)
The same logic as with U-Haul trailers [0] - if they don't sell them then there's only one logical explanation when a random one shows up.

[0] https://www.quora.com/Where-do-I-buy-new-U-Haul-trailers/ans...

Re:VanMoof’s team of ‘bike hunters’ appears to succeed where... by bagels on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @09:32PM (#32160241)
If it is stolen, are you financially responsible for it?
Re:VanMoof’s team of ‘bike hunters’ appears to succeed where... by jillesvangurp on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:05AM (#32162031)
If I can show the key for the lock, it will cost me 60 euros to get a replacement. If somebody destroys the bike, I simply get a replacement. I pay 19 euros / month. The bike I have probably has payed for itself by now,