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Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by strangegecko on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @04:52AM (#32149089)
> Who cares? Is this an American thing to always brag something about race, or how much "non-racist we are"? Nobody gives a sh* here.

As another European who lives in Asia, I don't understand this European love of blanket ranting against Americans. Yes, the US still has a racism problem. In fact, every country in the world has racism problems.

That doesn't make the topic of who can get elected irrelevant. Can you imagine ANY kind of foreigner getting elected into government in China? Or even in, say, Germany? These are different degrees of cultural openness.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by mejutoco on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @05:11AM (#32149221)
> Can you imagine ANY kind of foreigner getting elected into government in China

Obama was/is african-american, not a foreigner

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by strangegecko on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @10:16AM (#32151804)
Sorry, foreigner was a clumsy choice here, and I chose it because in many Asian countries it's quasi synonymous. People of different origin are always foreigners to the local population, whether they're permanent residents or citizens or not. Maybe I should have said "someone who isn't part of the majority ethnically".
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by plonk on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @06:40AM (#32149734)
That's true but a black Chinese citizen probably won't have a chance for a long time either.
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by christophilus on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @05:31AM (#32149339)
US presidents cannot be foreigners. It’s written into the highest law of the land.
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by DFHippie on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @07:59AM (#32150307)
This is true, but the hatred Obama faced generally revolved around a belief that he was effectively foreign if a legal citizen and, moreover, a citizen by birth. He wasn't a "real American" -- these were the words used by Sarah Palin. And generally conservatives in the US regard non-conservatives as less American than themselves. The reverse is not the case. Bernie and AOC don't suggest Trump isn't American.

I'm curious how universal this is. The fascist regimes of the mid 20th century all demonized a large segment of their own population and put them outside the protection of the state, or rather, targeted them as enemies of the state and the "true" citizens. How does Marine Le Pen speak of the left-leaning French? Japan is a particularly ethnically uniform nation. Does the Right in Japan regard the Left as non-Japanese? If so, does the Left reciprocate, or does it regard the Right as Japanese but wrong?

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by least on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @07:53AM (#32150252)
> EUropean here.

> Who cares? Is this an American thing to always brag something about race, or how much "non-racist we are"?

It matters because it's unprecedented in the United States, which is far more diverse than any other country in the world by a long shot. Think about all the racial tension that exists in most European countries from some sizable "outsider" populations. Roma in most of Europe. Polish in England. Turks in Germany. The United States completely eclipses all of that because we have accept more refugees and immigration than any other country in the world and we have the largest immigrant population in the world.

> Nobody gives a sh* here.

Probably not if you are part of the roughly 90 percent of people in any given state in Europe that happen to be the right race.

> In my opinion, US is still racist AF.

Yes, which is why seeing a black president be elected is remarkable.

> And it can mean racist against all kinds of people, even against white people. But you don't want to hear that ;-P ;-P

Racism is a shared tradition amongst all people and ironically it does not discriminate.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by trasz on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @10:27AM (#32152006)
>United States, which is far more diverse than any other country in the world

Here’s one fundamental problems with many Americans: they know nothing about outside world.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by least on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @11:55AM (#32153502)
Name a more ethnically/racially diverse country.
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by trasz on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @12:59PM (#32154659)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_et...

Literally half of all the worlds countries is more diverse.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by least on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @02:10PM (#32155719)
The methodology used in this list is deeply flawed. It depends on US Census Bureau data which does not make distinctions between subgroups of ethnicities, despite them being culturally and racially distinct from each other. Indians (which could be broken down into further subgroups), Afghani (which could be further broken down into Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras, etc.), Japanese and Laotians are not the same people but they'd all be classified as Asian. This does not paint an accurate picture of the incredible diversity that exists in the United States. In contrast, Uganda, which was ranked the highest on this list, has much more granular data available.

I'd urge you to pause your ignorant, inflammatory, and xenophobic takes for a moment to reflect on whether or not they're even true.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by trasz on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @05:08PM (#32158000)
But of course you don’t have any data to support it, how surprising.
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by least on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @06:15PM (#32158688)
The United States Census Bureau's official population counts, as I've said, use very broad groups to categorize ethnicities which is not reflective of just how many groups of people live in the United States. Korea has an idea of how many Koreans are living in the United States currently [1] and you can probably type just about any sort of ethnicity, nationality, or race, and find some estimates or information about their presence in the United States. The Census Bureau does perform (unofficial) surveys that can give you a glimpse of the demographics in the US [2] [3] as well.

We have the largest population of immigrants in the world [4] and the nation is comprised almost entirely of non-indigenous people. The fact that the US is incredibly diverse is not controversial to anyone that is even modestly informed.

[1] https://www.mofa.go.kr/www/wpge/m_21509/contents.do

[2] https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2000/dec/phc-t-43.html

[3] https://archive.ph/20200212212204/http://factfinder.census.g...

[4] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-finding...

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by trasz on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @09:01PM (#32159993)
>We have the largest population of immigrants in the world

Until you realize that metric would only be meaningful per capita, which again proves you’re talking rubbish:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigrati...

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by least on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @04:06AM (#32162844)
> Until you realize that metric would only be meaningful per capita

Why would this metric only be meaningful per capita?

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by evgen on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @05:53AM (#32149449)
> Is this an American thing to always brag something about race, or how much "non-racist we are"? Nobody gives a sh* here.

Sure, you have no racial problems of your own to deal with... (http://www.romea.cz/en/news/czech/harvard-survey-over-15-yea...) There is an old saying about people in glass houses that you may want to consider. You may also wish to stop kidding yourself when raising the question of whether or not you are on your knees servicing American interests; if you did not see yourself in such a position then it would probably be unnecessary for you to act with such childish hostility.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by Aeolun on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @07:21AM (#32150015)
> if you did not see yourself in such a position then it would probably be unnecessary for you to act with such childish hostility

I think OP is aware of this? The US is better to be beholden to than Russia or China, but ideally the EU would be the union it claims to be instead of a bunch of bickering city-states.

I resent that too. I think the US is objectively a worse country, but somehow, everything useful to the world happens there. I’m just sad that such an exploitative way of living is what apparently drives progress.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by moomoo11 on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @05:02AM (#32149152)
Historically speaking (for millenia), Europeans obliterated my people in the past, enslaved each other and most of the world, and stole so much to build your wealth.
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @08:26AM (#32150511)
> EUropean here.

This is like the pot calling the kettle black.

Europe raped the rest of the world for nearly 500 years: the British Raj, the Belgian Congo, the Opium wars, the race for Africa, Apartheid are but a few examples.

Europe created modern chatel slavery.

Europe started the WWI and WWII.

Europe birthed Nazism and Communism.

Many of the problems we currently face are the result of European meddling: from the Sykes-Picot agreement, to Iran, to African civil wars.

The US has been a far more benign superpower than (collectively) Europe ever was.

UPDATE:

Even racism (scientific racism) is a European invention, mainly to justify why it was good for Europeans to subjugate the rest of the world.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by pier25 on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @10:37AM (#32152153)
The world was very different back then.

If the US had been a super power in the 17th or 18th century you can be certain they would have colonized other countries as well.

Regarding WWI and WWII, Europe has never had the homogeneous culture of big states like the US. Again, wars have been the norm for most of humanity. The current peaceful era is really an anomaly.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by trasz on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @12:38PM (#32154271)
The difference is that Europe stopped doing most of this a century ago, and US didn’t.
Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @01:08PM (#32154794)
Europe stopped doing most of this a century ago, mainly because they couldn’t anymore.

It is like the bully who broke both legs and then goes around on crutches and tells everyone how great he is in that he doesn’t beat people up anymore.

Do you think the UK would have given up India if it were not for the devastation of two world wars?

Look at how France fought to keep its colonies in Algeria and Vietnam?

Look at how Germany bullies countries like Greece and Italy and cozies (up until very recently) to Putin.

Re:FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be r... by trasz on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @05:52PM (#32158462)
Yes, but it doesn’t change the fact that Europe doesn’t do that anymore. The fact the past vices went unpunished doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.