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Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by jpalomaki on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:35PM (#32142533)
Maybe with the text generating models (GPT-3 etc) we can soon create steganography solution, which hides your real message inside innocent looking casual messages generated from selected topic.

Add a suitable browser extension, enter the shared secret and "read between the lines".

Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by MonkeyClub on Monday July 18, 2022 @09:13PM (#32146261)
No need for fancy language models, I was browsing GitHub Twitter steganography apps and came upon this:

“Twitter Steganography using manual annotation and codebooks (2014)”

(https://github.com/shadowrun96/pteroglosia)

Sure it’s an academic proof of concept, but pretty cool nonetheless, and a good combination of widely accessible technologies.

But I feel that the answer to the privacy question will lean more on low tech cunning and decentralization/reduced mediation, rather than hi tech or state-backed solutions.

Like, how do you get the NSA to not snoop on your itinerary? Buy a physical agenda/day planner, think in paper, speak face to face, walk, don’t take the phone. Easy basic stuff, though you may end up speaking in a hushed voice and utter terms like “the people”, “the system”, and “off grid” more often than usual - you know, usual for sheeple. Like a conspiratorial Tourette’s. Am I missing some rabbit ears there?

And of course we will always have rebus and heraldry (allegory and memes)!

Consider this:

“The Pooh duck-stepping a Lemming path towards a cliff.”

No tech necessary (other than the Internet, a mind blowing basic amenity), but every Chinese person can get a political message, where an algorithm would get a syntactically incorrect sentence.

“Go water bags!” is what I’m saying, I guess, though I think I lost my drift a while back :)

Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by MitPitt on Monday July 18, 2022 @06:39PM (#32144990)
Just add "in minecraft" to every sentence
Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by 0xMatt on Monday July 18, 2022 @09:46PM (#32146533)
You can say ANYTHING if you add "in Minecraft" afterwards. Good call.
Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by barbuza on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @04:13AM (#32148829)
You can get in lots of trouble for doing stuff "in Minecraft" https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-teenager-minecraft-terrorism/...
Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by jonnelafin on Monday July 18, 2022 @07:12PM (#32145327)
You just made my day
Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by popcalc on Monday July 18, 2022 @04:41PM (#32143370)
Reminds me of this very cool zero width steg project: https://github.com/vedhavyas/zwfp

I used the go code to develop an iOS app that, while I and my friends thought was very cool, Apple didn't think had enough features to publish :(

Edit: Obviously this isn't going to fly under the radar when a state actor is concerned.

Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by yvbbrjdr on Monday July 18, 2022 @04:48PM (#32143468)
Interesting project! But yeah it requires little effort to detect
Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by yvbbrjdr on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:45PM (#32142676)
Yes! I'm right now creating a steganography scheme with an NLP model.

We've actually tried implementing a browser extension before. The problem is ordinary people just don't use browser extensions..

Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by gnicholas on Monday July 18, 2022 @04:14PM (#32143064)
Ordinary people can use browser extensions OK on desktop, but on mobile it's a mess. Chrome for Android doesn't support extensions, and no one uses the Android browsers that do. Installing an extension for Safari on iOS requires following many unintuitive steps. I hope mobile extensions become easier to install/use with time!
Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by keurrr on Monday July 18, 2022 @04:16PM (#32143085)
The original version was a browser extension. It was very painful to maintain support for all the different types of input fields. Most large social media sites do not use standard text areas.

https://github.com/XCF-Babble/babble

Re:Show HN: Babble – Communicate privately on state-sponsore... by fariszr on Monday July 18, 2022 @06:48PM (#32145100)
Something similar using random spaces is here. But its possible to decrypted by anyone since there is no password

https://neatnik.net/steganographr/