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Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by loloquwowndueo on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:44AM (#32127243)
If you need tab groups and tab search, you’re using tabs wrong. Bookmarks exist for that purpose and they do have search and grouping (folders).

Coworkers look at me like I’m a freak because I usually keep fewer than 10 tabs open :)

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by xyzzy_plugh on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:12AM (#32127498)
No. Tab groups are great, they allow you to bundle context but persist it front and center. On a given day I might be working on five different things, I context switch between tab groups, make some progress within a group, and move along. Bookmarks absolutely do not solve this issue. Bookmarks are not ephemeral, and take considerably more time to organize than simply using tabs naturally.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by hansel_der on Sunday July 17, 2022 @01:51PM (#32129190)
strong agree

maybe sometime will come the realisation that a tab, a bookmark and a history entry are basically the same

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by jraph on Sunday July 17, 2022 @12:42PM (#32128381)
Why would it be wrong if it works?

I don't use groups (I liked them when tab groups were a feature of Firefox). I search for tabs by typing stuff in the awesome bar, that works.

I always have a lot of tabs and kill everything from times to times. But it's nice to reach a tab that's already loaded when you need it, instead of reloading the page every time, making a network access, using resources and having to wait. A page being already open is also a hint that it's something I accessed recently and that it's most likely the thing I need.

I don't want to waste my time managing bookmarks (actually the sibling comment from lamacase captures my view very well on this). That's not how I use a browser. But it's good they are there for people like you who find a use for it.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by lxgr on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:47AM (#32127826)
Bookmarks and tabs serve different use cases.

The former don't preserve login state (and site state in general) or scroll position, navigating between them requires an internet connection and often uses significant data (important when working from a metered and/or unreliable connection like on a train or plane), just to name a few differences.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by lamacase on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:10AM (#32127474)
Ok, great idea. Now we just need an extension that auto-bookmarks every newly opened page until I unbookmark it, and a category of "super-bookmarks" to curate the pages I would manually bookmark now.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by marssaxman on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:11PM (#32134177)
I've never understood how people get into a workflow where they expect to have lots of persistent tabs. I rely on the fact that I can reset my browser by quitting it - everything goes away and I can start fresh, ahhh! The idea of browser state as something valuable is foreign, and it kind of makes me feel uncomfortable.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by Tagbert on Sunday July 17, 2022 @12:38PM (#32128337)
I usually work on about 5 projects at a time. During a given day I will switch between those projects at least once an hour. With Panorama Tab Groups, I only see about 10-20 tabs at a time and they are all specific to the current project. when i switch, it does it all at once and the pages don’t reload. They retain their state. I can be editing something in one tab group, switch to another tab group to check on a dependency, and then switch back to the firs group to finish editing.

I do use bookmarks for longer term organization but my workspace is all handled in tab groups.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by moth-fuzz on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:51PM (#32134041)
Wow, I should have read this before cadence-per-cadence making the exact same comment!

I have no idea why nobody uses bookmarks and everybody keeps hundreds of tabs open. When did that start? Who even has the RAM for that? How do you even click on them when they’re that tiny? So many things just don’t make sense.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by hammyhavoc on Monday July 18, 2022 @07:33AM (#32137000)
I have 3000+ tabs in Firefox. The sleeping/suspending of tabs brings it down to 2GB of RAM usage.

Thus I would expect most people have the RAM unless they're on a yesteryear SBC.

FWIW, I have 128GB of RAM, and fully utilize it.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by kretaceous on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:39AM (#32127753)
> Coworkers look at me like I’m a freak because I usually keep fewer than 10 tabs open :)

Haha! That's me. My maximum is 15 and then my cleanliness ghost kicks in. I said tab groups because I like organization even if it's just 10 tabs. I honestly don't know why I said tab search.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by nokya on Monday July 18, 2022 @05:48AM (#32136336)
Having coworkers looking at you like you are freak while keeping your job because the company sees you as a bringer of value is the best compliment you can get from your workplace :)
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by Georgelemental on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:41AM (#32127773)
Both have their use, I prefer bookmarks for separating tasks, and tab trees for organizing information I am actively using within a task.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by layer8 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:10AM (#32127478)
> I usually keep fewer than 10 tabs open

Same here, and I don’t even use bookmarks! History and custom search shortcuts are enough.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by solarkraft on Sunday July 17, 2022 @01:45PM (#32129124)
Well, how are you persisting state? How do you quickly go back?
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by WastingMyTime89 on Monday July 18, 2022 @08:57AM (#32137783)
Your browser has a chronological list of the previous pages you visited. It’s very easy to quickly go back to a page you had open recently and fairly easy to search for it in the history if it was some time before. It’s actually probably easier than finding a tab amongst a lot of tabs.

For persisting state, it’s simple. You don’t. History is going to send you back where you were if the url scheme is not brain dead. I will personally stop using sites which don’t do that properly because they are annoying to use.

For forms I just fill them when I need to or keep them open for a bit if I forget I would need some information which I need to check. If I realise it’s going to take some time, I just close them and fill them properly when I have all I need.