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Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by DoingIsLearning on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @06:36AM (#32080888)
Cool tool but just as a suggestion, having that example of removing 'Copyright' watermarks is probably a bad idea in terms of legal CYA and just general decency in terms of respecting attribution.

If that is what people want to do with the tool is beyond your control but to showcase it in your example gets you on the hook for ill-intent.

Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by rob74 on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @07:32AM (#32081248)
Yup, that was my first thought too: people will probably have the idea of using the tool to remove watermarks on their own anyway, but by giving it as an example you are putting yourself in the line of fire.
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by bitL on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @12:49PM (#32085318)
That sequence can be easily replaced by some other neutral text like "Lake Tahoe" instead of "Copyright" and still most users would get it.
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by 1234letshaveatw on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @02:02PM (#32086438)
Why does that sound familiar? Was that in a postcard picture from back to the future or something?
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by nrdgrrrl on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @02:26PM (#32086807)
That's welcome to Hill Valley you're likely thinking of. https://payload.cargocollective.com/1/3/106917/1368185/Hill%...
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by gc0119 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:40AM (#32092760)
Ah that’s a sharp eye!!
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by johndough on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @08:14AM (#32081573)
Why would this cause legal issues? (assuming the author owns the rights to the images shown in the preview)

I can think of two related topics:

* Export restriction on encryption (does not apply here)

* YouTube's content policy on hacking tutorials (not applicable here either, since this is not YouTube)

Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by mminer237 on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @09:58AM (#32082800)
There are different forms of secondary liability for copyright infringement: https://matthewminer.name/law/outlines/3L/1st+Semester/LAW+6...

Particularly, inducement liability could be a real issue here.

In MGM v. Grokster, the Supreme Court unanimously said, "[O]ne who distributes a device with the object of promoting its use to infringe copyright, as shown by clear expression or other affirmative steps taken to foster infringement, is liable for the resulting acts of infringement by third parties."

Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @12:29PM (#32084958)
I've often wondered if I could get Apple computers sued by ripping CDs with iTunes and sharing the results (ripping is copy infringement in the UK, the media companies had the government remove format-shifting rights and we don't have Fair Use [our Fair Dealing is very conservative]).
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by jraph on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @01:19PM (#32085780)
No, because you can rip CDs containing stuff under some creative commons license or some other license that permits copying.

You probably can't sue a knife maker because you killed someone with one of their knives. My knives usually cut vegetables and tofu, which is allowed as far as I know.

Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by pbhjpbhj on Thursday July 14, 2022 @06:48AM (#32094277)
It gets complicated, you can obviously use any 'hacking' tool for red team operations, but tools that are published and were designed for such hacking (cracking, intrusion) still appear to be subject to legal control (in Europe; I guess like how encryption tools that are subject to defence controls in USA can obviously be used for non-nefarious purposes but it's still illegal to export them [or was in the past---browsers used to hobble the encryption built it---I think still is?]).

Similar here, but worse than the knife/tool analogy: when you rip a copyright CD the system gathers all the data on the CD to present in the interface but doesn't warn you about the copyright; it is designed to rip commercial, copyrighted music.

Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by lovelearning on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @08:35AM (#32081763)
Some time ago, youtube-dl, a downloader tool for YT, faced legal troubles from RIAA simply for showing a copyrighted video URL in a demo. Something about anti-circumvention. [1]

Given that this project is an alternative to Adobe's features, the latter may feel tempted to claim this is a tool intended for copyright circumvention.

[1]: https://commonsware.com/blog/2020/10/24/youtube-dl-avoiding-...

Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by vermilingua on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @08:16AM (#32081595)
Because it doesn’t need to be illegal to cause legal issues. All it takes is one wealthy enough, persistent enough, annoyed enough plaintiff, to make your year extremely shitty.
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by ComputerCat on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @09:17AM (#32082235)
LOL there are plenty of people like that
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by xwdv on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @12:43PM (#32085216)
I say the opposite. At first I didn’t care much for the removal of people, but taking watermarks out of images had me sold.
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by gc0119 on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @09:40PM (#32090990)
Thank you @xwdv! Watermarks are certainly one of the main use cases.
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by gc0119 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:44AM (#32092782)
Thanks for pointing out, it’s indeed our own edited photo from Lake Tahoe. Will swap the word with “watermark”. Appreciated!
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by ekianjo on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @11:32AM (#32084086)
removing watermarks does not remove the copyright...
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by Closi on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @12:10PM (#32084672)
No, but it can aide infringement (just as torrenting a movie does not remove copyright, but trackers can problematic to run).
Re:Show HN: Remove unwanted objects in photos simply by drag... by ekianjo on Friday July 15, 2022 @09:54AM (#32108227)
If you want to prevent infrigement then dont publish images with watermarks online...