I don't think churn is particularly high as a percentage of total workers. The company really is growing that fast. There have been over ten-thousand positions open via careers.google.com in the last several months (although I expect that to shrink in the coming days). And 10K isn't that unusual of a quarterly number.

No inside info here, just noting that that kind of hiring is par for the course.

I know for a fact GCP is a shit show, so I'm sure they've been manscaling it.

Every engineer says that about their own products. My Amazon buddies all say AWS is a huge shitshow and my Microsoft buddies say Azure is huge mess. Technology is chaotic by nature

It isn't my own product :) Thomas Kurian is a special kind of chaos.

But yeah, no clouds run themselves. Only GCP is a spectacular kind of mismanaged, since 2018 or so.

Anyhow, who cares! :D cheers @altdataseller

You have made a lot of bold statements. Do you have anything substantial to back up your statements?

How about personal experience working with TK and a bunch of friends working at Google on Cloud? You can look up the severe production outages GCP has suffered over the past years, if you care.

All big organizations are dysfunctional in their own way.

If you know better, I'm all ears! Not trying to discount the hard work of all those fantastic Google engineers. It's just, prod issues are prod issues, regardless of good intentions.

Toxic TK, otoh, he's selfish, self-aggrandizing, out of touch, and not very nice or cool at all. Everything he touches bears his mark.

If given a choice I'd take GCP's production outages over Azure's security vulnerabilities that show a complete and total lack of any care for anything resembling security in at least a few of their products.

It almost sounds like he used to be an Oracle exec.

I saw him posting certified enterprise nonsense the other day and it didn’t make me feel very good about it.

https://twitter.com/thomasortk/status/1542601634106195968

(for some reason I’m still following one of my college professors who’s since become a director at GCP somehow)

Most of that is growth, not churn. Alphabet has hovered around 20% net headcount growth per year for awhile, per their earnings reports.

No, the company has more than doubled (maybe tripled?) in size in the last 3-4 years.

85k in 2016 -> 135k in 2022

Given these figures, hiring 10k a quarter sounds like pretty high churn and employee turnover.

Perhaps folks make their money then GTFO?