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Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by historynops on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:00PM (#32071846)
A lot of the pictures have some bright stars with 6 long lens flare like points coming out of them in a consistent pattern. Is that because of the hexagonal shape of JWT's lenses/mirrors?
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by rbliss on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:14PM (#32072060)
Yes, it's a combination of both the primary mirror and struts. The JWST website has a very helpful infographic explaining: https://webbtelescope.org/contents/media/images/01G529MX46J7...
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by creatonez on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @05:36AM (#32080560)
Here is an image showing how each part of the distortion comes about - https://bigthink.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FOFC8ZPX0AIB...
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by moffkalast on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:52PM (#32072654)
That's quite exhaustive, but it makes me wonder why isn't anything done to correct for that. Like for example instead of taking one 15h exposure, why not take three 5h exposures and roll the telescope 5 degrees in between, then median filter out the artefacts?
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by sbierwagen on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @03:13PM (#32074419)
JWST does have a roll dither mode: https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-general-support/jwst-dither... Don't know why they didn't use it. Maybe they were trying to observe as many targets as possible for the initial release of imagery.
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by creatonez on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @05:39AM (#32080571)
Mainly because it doesn't matter. They're not looking at the stars in the foreground, they're looking at the background which is much further away. The diffraction pattern is actually super dim -- those foreground stars are just very bright due to the exposure.
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by AnonMO on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @01:27PM (#32073170)
It took like 5 months to cool web to operational temperatures rolling the telescope would create so much heat all new images would be useless until it cools down again.
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by moffkalast on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @01:46PM (#32073415)
That makes no sense, they have to rotate it every time they take a picture otherwise they'd be looking at the same spot all the time. Motors don't emit that much heat and neither do torque wheels.

Though I suppose now that I think of it, it's possible the main mirror assembly actually has no built in roll control but only pitch, since the yaw part could be done by moving the entire telescope while remaining shaded. I've never seen any videos showing the full movement, but the previews for LUVIOR show it having full 3 degree articulation relative to the heatsink segment, so I assumed the Webb also has it given that they're extremely similar designs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzFEaCYhmEs

Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by akira2501 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:29PM (#32077600)
> otherwise they'd be looking at the same spot all the time

It's in an orbit around L2, so it's not statically positioned in space. L2 also moves with the earth around the Sun, so it's not statically limited to any one region of the sky.

Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by AnonMO on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @02:20PM (#32073816)
LUVIOR is not web. Web doesn't have articulation like LUVIOR its fixed only the mirror segements move. also they don't rorate everytime they take a picture there's limitations beacuse its an infered telescope. https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-observatory-characteristics.... Web also has a field of view 15x hubble
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by MontagFTB on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:20PM (#32072164)
You beat me to it- incredibly helpful diagram. Thanks for sharing it.
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by coldpie on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:51PM (#32072634)
Wow, thanks for this link. The level of communication around JWST's technology and launch has been amazing, and this is a great example of that.
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by ceejayoz on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:11PM (#32072005)
It's not the mirrors, it's the three struts supporting the reflector.

Hubble shows four spikes because it has two struts.

https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/james-webb-spikes/

https://www.universetoday.com/155062/wondering-about-the-6-r...

Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by krajzeg on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:17PM (#32072106)
I think you also had a similar comment and linked the same article under the previous topic about JWST's first image?

The article is very informative, but my read of it is different: the three major "spikes" are in fact due to the hexagonal shape of the mirrors and how they're laid out. The struts also add three spikes, but: two of them coincide with the mirror spikes, while one of them (from the vertical strut) is visible on its own, and causes the smaller perfectly horizontal spike.

The image I'm basing this on is in your article with a caption starting from "The point spread function for the James Webb Space Telescope" [1]

[1]: https://bigthink.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FOFC8ZPX0AIB...

Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by deanCommie on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @02:19PM (#32073806)
From the other comments, I understand why it's there, but i wish they would photoshop them out.

The images take on a more synthetic and fake quality when the technical physical man-made constraints of our telescope get projected out onto the natural very much NON-man-made universe.

Look at https://stsci-opo.org/STScI-01G7ETPF7DVBJAC42JR5N6EQRH.png and observe the incredible entropy in the nebula itself. The consistent, perfect, straight lines, of each star are jarring in the image.

Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by deanCommie on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:37PM (#32076651)
to be clear - i realize these are for science. they shouldn't be edited for scientists.

but we should edit them :)

Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by deelowe on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:01PM (#32071862)
More or less. That's how they've explained it in the past.
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by mackieem on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:06PM (#32071924)
Yeah, it's the hexagonal shape. The objects with the 6 diffraction spikes are overexposed compared to the rest of the objects in the picture, so they're generally brighter and/or closer objects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBcc3vpJTAU

Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by MontagFTB on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:19PM (#32072145)
Here’s an infographic from NASA explaining the phenomenon: https://webbtelescope.org/contents/media/images/01G529MX46J7...
Re:James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution... by micromacrofoot on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @03:07PM (#32074370)
Also, I recall reading that those stars are so bright because they're within our galaxy... so they're the foreground really