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Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by bluepizza on Sunday July 10, 2022 @02:44PM (#32047582)
> The US (famously) does not have Allies, only temporary allegiances.

Far from me to defend American imperialism, but this is not true, is it? The USA has a decent list of long standing alliances, that include a variety of countries: Japan, Australia, Canada, UK, South Korea, among others.

Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by dijit on Sunday July 10, 2022 @03:03PM (#32047799)
> America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/633024-america-has-no-perma...

From Henry Kissinger, US Secretary of State.

Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by ceejayoz on Sunday July 10, 2022 @03:10PM (#32047886)
By that pessimistic definition, no country can really ever have allies.

The US has a number of nations with which its interests have long aligned with, and are likely to continue to, and are formalized via treaty. I’m ok with calling those alliances.

Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by dijit on Sunday July 10, 2022 @03:59PM (#32048376)
That might be a perspective, but it feels weird to say it the way Kissinger does if it doesn’t elude to something deeper.

For example: There could be war between Finland and Sweden, but it’s fair to call them allies, in this day and age, they are friends… friends can still fall out. I know he says permanent friends, but permanence in friendship is simply the act of not sabotaging it.

In the same way it might be fair to call the US and Canada allies, but given that the US has been considerably more hostile to the EU, even spying on politicians, I think the quote is more telling than you believe.

Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by bluepizza on Sunday July 10, 2022 @03:34PM (#32048119)
A man who is widely reviled by a decent chunk of American population. One of the few issues that both parties and independents agree on is how terrible and damaging this person was.
Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by CommitSyn on Sunday July 10, 2022 @03:10PM (#32047883)
Am I missing where this is quoted from, or is it like many other quotes where it could be attributed to the person, but nobody really knows?

Edit: if I'm reading right, it seems to be a quote from Dinesh D'Souza's book "What's so great about America" quoted by Henry Kissinger in his book "The White House Years"

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger (Quotes -> 1980's)

Aside from the aforementioned countries, I'd say Israel is quite a strong ally of the United States.

Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by throwaway_4ever on Sunday July 10, 2022 @09:02PM (#32051007)
The US is actively NOT doing what Kissinger thinks, in current geopolitical affairs. He doesn't speak for the country and hasn't had an active role in its actions for 45 years.
Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by c048 on Sunday July 10, 2022 @03:00PM (#32047765)
You're right, and that list also includes European countries like France. You're just quoting a bad actor, no way that he ever opened a history book about the subject.
Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by deanCommie on Sunday July 10, 2022 @03:42PM (#32048200)
It may be true but if it's true it's true for all allyships.

Look at the history of Europe and observe the shifting trends of alliances.

Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by sumnole on Sunday July 10, 2022 @10:11PM (#32051415)
America has been to war with Japan, Canada and the UK - which supports the fact that allies can always turn.
Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by bluepizza on Monday July 11, 2022 @03:49AM (#32053393)
> allies can always turn.

But that's not what happened, is it?

Enemies turned into allies. That's quite the opposite of what you said.

Re:As TikTok grows, so does suspicion by sumnole on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @11:46AM (#32153283)
Obviously, the reverse is also true (enemies to allies as in my examples). Ultimately it's the opposite of what you said.