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Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by pjc50 on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @09:38AM (#32000702)
I've had a half-planned essay sitting around for years on how "rubbish has no SKU".

An important part of a product is its standard, fungible nature. Every unit off the production line the same. Quality maintained. Sealed in packaging.

As soon as you take it out of the packaging it becomes a unique item with a history. It's outside the QA bubble. It might be in perfectly saleable condition; it might have something wrong with it (after all, there's a reason it's being returned); it might have been damaged by the customer. It's a liability. If they were to take it back and re-sell it to someone, and get sued, that would wipe out more value than throwing away hundreds or even thousands of the same good.

This is also why secondhand goods in general are so cheap, and things like furniture may even have negative net value because they cost more to move than they are worth.

Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by netrus on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @04:34PM (#32006459)
Yes!

> This is also why secondhand goods in general are so cheap, and things like furniture may even have negative net value because they cost more to move than they are worth.

On the German equivalent to Craigs' List - Ebay Kleinanzeigen - IKEA furniture is much easier to sell than other furniture, even though IKEA furniture is cheap and quality is only "good enough". The reason, I think, is that used IKEA furniture comes closest to still being a standardized item. You can easily look up the dimensions online, you may already have or know the exact same item, you know what to enter into the search field [of Ebay Kleinanzeigen]. The overall buying experience might even be better than going to the IKEA store, as the furniture is already assembled and potentially closer to your home.

Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by cortesoft on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @05:09PM (#32006862)
I wonder if ikea furniture also has value for parts. Often times a single piece of the furniture will break, but if the item or color is discontinued you can’t replace it.
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by toomuchtodo on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @08:07PM (#32008477)
My local IKEA will take used IKEA furniture back for second hand resale.

https://www.ikea.com/es/en/customer-service/services/buy-bac...

Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by vorpalhex on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @06:53PM (#32007894)
Ikea furniture is very easy to repair with little more than wood glue. Ikea is also very gracious with giving you replacement or spare hardware for cheap or free.
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by totetsu on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @10:55PM (#32009470)
A friend and I recently broke an IKEA bed. The beam that supports the slats is made of multiple pieces of wood joined with zigzag finger joints, and that beam is attached to the frame with some thin staples. When the staple slip, the beam just bends apart at these joints. It seems like many people's Ikea beds fail this same way. It would be great if IKEA sold repair kits to patch up their design flaws. As it stands, in this country, hardly anyone wants to use fix anything themselves, or used second hand things. The whole frame just becomes rubbish. With humanity in the situation it is in, needing to reduce the impacts of activities on the world, as a matter of survival, it's crazy to me that our economic processes and social norms are unwaveringly directing so much of our material goods, and energy use into landfills.
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by usefulcat on Thursday July 07, 2022 @12:25AM (#32009891)
If you want people to repair things more often (as opposed to throwing them away), then you need to figure out a way to make those things more expensive. That's the (IMO) biggest reason why people used to repair things more often.
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by spoonjim on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @07:30PM (#32008182)
I just paid $250 on Craigslist for an item that I purchased new at IKEA for $149 ten years ago. I wanted a matching one and IKEA had since discontinued the color.
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by mmmpop on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @07:36PM (#32008229)
I did something similar with the discontinued duck mug that Pier 1 used to sell. $30 for a $15 mug but ya know, sometimes you just need the thing.
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by tgsovlerkhgsel on Thursday July 07, 2022 @12:23AM (#32009881)
With IKEA items, you have the added factor of many people having it and wanting a replacement/additional item for a discontinued one.
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by rob_austin on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @07:07PM (#32008015)
I'd love to read your essay!

My grandpa passed away recently and stuff he had spent over a million dollars over the years to accumulate over the years sold only for $30k. I realized that most of the value in selling a product in keeping it organized on a shelf, and marketing to consumers that you are a place where someone can buy a product of that type.

But your POV is more interesting.

Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by javajosh on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @10:30PM (#32009343)
I'm curious, what did your grandpa collect?
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by colechristensen on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @02:00PM (#32004554)
I think part of the problem is that most products are so shitty and short-lived that the retail value and never-used resale value are enormously different.
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by mc32 on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @04:32PM (#32006435)
You make some good points. Foremost is underwear/knicks and toothbrushes (aka intimate objects). Those are a no-no. So there are some things that you should not be able to return for a refund (like medication).

But there is that new category of things with too little actual value to be worth processing like pillows and compressed mattresses (once you allow them to expand, you cannot compress them at home.)

But a lot if the problem in returnable objects where a return is not cost effective has to do with shipping costs. Shipping it back + processing costs cuts into profits and the resale value does not compensate adequately. Fortunately for them, the "returns" ratio don't negate overall profits.

That said, when it makes sense to me, I will buy from Amazon's warehouse deals --there are some good deals to be had.

Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by PebblesRox on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @07:04PM (#32007992)
An acquaintance bought a fancy king-sized mattress and found some minor damage (ripped fabric) upon delivery. They reached out to customer support, thinking maybe they’d get a discount. Instead they were sent a replacement mattress and told not to bother returning the old one.

They had no use for a second mattress, so that’s how we got a free, brand-new very fancy king-sized mattress with minor cosmetic damage!

Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by usrn on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @08:43PM (#32008703)
It's weird buying expensive stuff like boats after living your whole life surrounded by new consumer goods. I keep finding modifications/damage the previous owners made and have to figure out how to deal with them on my own.
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by dotancohen on Thursday July 07, 2022 @01:47AM (#32010352)
Buying a used car is a similar experience, especially if it is a classic. So many quick-fixes, modifications, fixed and unfixed damage, and for vehicles from the 1960s even differences in factories.

A guy I used to work/hobby with could tell you which factory a Mustang was built in, and though in my era (1990s) the markings had all been gone, it is said that he and others could even tell you the name of the guy who assembled certain parts by the markings or other inconsistencies. When restoring a Mustang, these details (e.g. built by Mario in Dearborn in early 1967) are replicated by a good restorer. I believe that Jaguar also has affectionados who know the cars to that level of detail.

Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by tomcam on Thursday July 07, 2022 @03:22AM (#32010870)
Fender guitars too. As late as the 90s hey were bringing back Gloria who hand-wound pickups for them in the 50s.
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by fundad on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @09:03PM (#32008830)
Boats plural!?
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by jazzyjackson on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @11:05PM (#32009503)
doesn't have to be at the same time, they could be a serial monogamist
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by fundad on Sunday July 10, 2022 @08:50AM (#32044242)
Serial mariner? :)
Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by BeFlatXIII on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @04:42PM (#32006557)
> get sued, that would wipe out more value than throwing away hundreds or even thousands of the same good.

That sounds more like an argument for tort reform to stiff plaintiffs with inane complaints about refurbished/restocked items.

Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by m463 on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @06:09PM (#32007452)
I think amazon warehouse is a middle ground.

They must have some ROI calculation. Or would that be ROR (return on return?)

Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by tomcam on Thursday July 07, 2022 @03:20AM (#32010863)
> Or would that be ROR (return on return?)

Noyce!

Re:Stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items by asah on Thursday July 07, 2022 @01:22AM (#32010202)
amazon used seems to be addressed this - there's now standards in quality, with much lower discounts, and I've had uniformly good luck buying used @ amazon just like it's new.