Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by quantum_state on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @05:10PM
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People should challenge this law in court and shot it down. One’s political view is none of the business of a state government, period.
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Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by jeffbee on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @05:16PM
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Passing obviously illegal laws to be struck down by courts is how the right has been driving their angry voter base for decades. This is just part of the show, and having the court strike it down is a necessary part of the strategy.
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by jaldhar on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @05:31PM
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Now do “common-sense gun control”. Politicians of all stripes do this because it works.
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Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by dang on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @03:16AM
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We've banned this account for using HN primarily for political/ideological battle. That's not allowed, regardless of which politics/ideology you're battling for or against. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.
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Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by nradov on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @05:32PM
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I think this is a bad law, but what specific legal theory could be used to challenge it in court? Please cite the specific section of the law that is in violation of the US Constitution or federal law?
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by ROTMetro on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:22PM
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Freedom of speech also covers compelled speech so I would think this would violate that.
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by nradov on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @01:20AM
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No one is being compelled to answer the survey. Have you read the actual law?
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by burrows on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @05:18PM
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The state (thru taxes) is funding the universities, right? Speaking for myself, if I was funding a university I would do things to encourage intellectual diversity.
I’m more sympathetic to the more general view that education is not the business of state governments, period.
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by mhh__ on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @05:29PM
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Intellectual diversity imposed upon universities (rather than being some quasi-constitutional thing to sue over) is in my view solely of use to grifters and morons. It sounds like a nice idea but it's so easily manipulated (especially by politicians looking to signal to their base rather than actually fix something even out of naivete)
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by throwoutway on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @05:58PM
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It’s already happening by left-wing politics. Discussed here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31149311
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by joshuamorton on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:14PM
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How is that intellectual diversity? Isn't the common refrain that we should be enforcing intellectual diversity and not other kinds, specifically because the other kinds of diversity don't result in intellectual diversity?
Of course, you shouldn't worry yourself over this too much, Canada's not the US, and while that is a government mandated policy there, it would be illegal here.
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by joshuamorton on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @05:29PM
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> if I was funding a university I would do things to encourage intellectual diversity.
The first amendment prohibits the state from doing such a thing. They must allow diversity of opinion, they cannot require it (this would be silly, where does it end, Edwards v. Aguillard and Kitzmiller v. Dover seem pretty clear on this).
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by burrows on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @05:36PM
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The first amendment places limits on the conditions that a state government can attach to university funding?
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by joshuamorton on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:00PM
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See South Dakota v. Dole, which holds (among other things) that federal funding cannot be granted contingently on a requirement that would otherwise violate the constitution or be "coercive". This would almost certainly apply to the states via incorporation. So while a state could choose to not fund universities at all, if it chooses to, it cannot favor certain universities based on a speech-test.
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by burrows on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:15PM
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Then you are arguing that these surveys would abridge free speech?
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by joshuamorton on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:29PM
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If done with the intent "to encourage intellectual diversity." Yes. At the point where you have intellectuals being required to register their views with the government, you're veering heavily into red scare territory.
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by ROTMetro on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:24PM
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These surveys are compelled speech. Freedom of speech not only means you are free to speak out, but that you can not be compelled to speak.
Re:Desantis signs bill req. FL students, professors to regis...
by LaundroMat on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @11:56PM
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Education should not be a business.