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Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by causi on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @07:37AM (#31986970)
The better question is whether it's possible to create a LotR representation with even a shred of the original's soul. Chris Tolkien hated the Jackson trilogy, and then see how much further modern market demands pushed The Hobbit's execution. I don't want to see what another ten years of compromises and pandering will do to the product.
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by bmj on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @08:14AM (#31987272)
Christopher Tolkein was hopelessly grumpy (or protective, depending on your perspective) about anyone doing anything with his father's works.

Personally, as a fan of Tolkein's works, I thought LoTR was fine. I didn't necessarily agree with all of Jackon's decisions, but, in the end, I enjoyed watching the movies (and still do). The Hobbit films are a different beast, for sure.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by causi on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @08:31AM (#31987415)
I didn't necessarily agree with all of Jackon's decisions, but, in the end, I enjoyed watching the movies (and still do). The Hobbit films are a different beast, for sure.

Exactly my opinion as well. What worries me is that we saw what ten years of market shift did between LotR and The Hobbit. Now it's been another ten years of it. Instead of showing bad people tearing down trees to fuel industry, we're going to have some good character give a five minute long speech about it. There is going to be a romance plot between an orc and a non-orc. There is going to be a female orc and she is going to be a strong independent woman. There is going to be a ruler who is as bad Denethor but they're going to make a strong point about him also being a racist.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by darrelld on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:08PM (#31990012)
At the end of the day stories reflect our society and LoTR is just another story.

All of the classic stories we tell kids have evolved over time and are no longer true to their original source material. We take the thing we need, ignore the things we don't need, and add what's missing from our modern eyes.

If you go back to the source material for things like Snow White, Pinocchio and trace them through the ages you'll see that they have constantly changed and adjusted.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by causi on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:56PM (#31990694)
I think there's a difference between tuning a story and misappropriating it as a vehicle for your personal goals. This can be done well by giving us more background on what was a minor character or altering dialogue to give a different perspective of events. It can be done badly, such as by introducing us to Kímli, the lesbian dwarf queen with a mithril wheelchair.
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by at_a_remove on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:01PM (#31989898)
Oh gods no I ... I can see this happening, it's just too plausible.
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by hedora on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:39PM (#31990473)
Why wait, when you can watch this Gandalf^W Dumbledore prequel?

https://decider.com/2022/05/30/fantastic-beasts-the-secrets-...

(warning: Lots of spoilers in there...)

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by bigDinosaur on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @08:28AM (#31987385)
Christopher Tolkien I think was fairly correct in his analysis of the LoTR films, and I think it became clear with the Hobbit what the ultimate conclusion of that style of treatment of the source material would be.

What he got wrong is that they're perfectly fun and good films in their own right - it'd be more accurate to say they're heavily inspired by the LoTR books rather than being direct adaptions. In some cases they cut things which just would never have even worked on screen, and in general I don't think a deeply ponderous and weighty mood would have really been received that well. That said, some of the changes they made (e.g. to Denethor) were just gratuitous.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by tlear on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @09:21AM (#31987903)
Denethor and Faramir treatment hurt..

My number 1 gripe was the army of the dead being the deus ex machina making rest of the battle pointless joke. This is after making perfect entrance for Rohan

I like the movies and enjoy watching them, some parts are masterpieces but some not so much.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by oneoff786 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @11:51AM (#31989746)
What was the original army of the dead like? It always seemed like the weakest point of all the films and certainly the most glaring plot hole of why didn’t they keep using them.
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by pfortuny on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @02:23PM (#31991847)
More or less as in the film BUT they were eager to leave the Earth, and they only needed to heed their oath. They do so in a side battle (near Osgiliath IIRC) and, immediately, Aragorn sets them free.

But they are not “an army at the ser ice of Aragorn”. They just want to be liberated and to do so, they fulfill the promise they broke. They are not obligated to more (and Aragorn has no power to keep them “here”), much less to make them obey him.

Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by buscoquadnary on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @01:06PM (#31990826)
In the original the army of the dead was used to capture the ships, and grab the army under a Prince in southern Gondor, (I think it was Imiril) and bring his army up from Osgiliath, to surround the armies of darkness on 3 sides, who then broke and ran.
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by oneoff786 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @01:22PM (#31991039)
Were they a tide of untouchable murder ghosts though? Or were they more of a conventional zombie force that could be killed?
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by pfortuny on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @02:25PM (#31991874)
They cannot be killed but their aim is to abandon Earth, and they only need Aragorn to liberate them after they have fulfilled their oath. Not that Aragorn has true power over them. He has only the power to set them free, and they obey because that is the way to freedom.
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by DivineBicycle on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @12:49AM (#31996849)
That's what I think, they are not accurate to the books, or book in The Hobbit's case, but they are good films and I love watching them.
Re:Amazon spending $465M on season 1 of The Lord of the Ring... by arethuza on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @08:23AM (#31987347)
Didn't his father sell off the film rights for £10,000 - no wonder he is slightly grumpy about any movies!