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Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by npteljes on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:01AM (#31943977)
>"Part of my hope by raising expectations and having more aggressive goals, and just kind of turning up the heat a little bit, is that I think some of you might decide that this place isn't for you, and that self-selection is OK with me," he said.

This, to me, sounds like he's pressuring people to leave, so that they don't have to fire them, which would involve severance.

Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by david38 on Saturday July 02, 2022 @01:25AM (#31956510)
I doubt it. You can just slow down and be fired. Severance is a pittance to them.

What they are really trying to avoid is laying off the wrong people. Management is really bad at guessing who wants to stay and who wants out. Often, a bunch of “low performers” are riffed. Some are bad, some are just on the wrong team, some are having life complications- birth, death, divorce, etc.

It’s really bad PR to fire someone who is a low performer because of a bad pregnancy, grandma died, etc. especially when they call a reporter and show their stellar ratings from previous years.

On top of all that, with the rif comes a higher work load. At this time many high performers will quit, which sucks because you just laid off a bunch of people, many of whom were close to these guys in performance.

Then the company is at risk of making bad decisions. They they push even harder on those that remain? Do they become pragmatic and cut initiatives they can no longer staff?

All moves have risk.

Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by cs137 on Friday July 01, 2022 @06:12AM (#31944430)
Generally, people who get PIP'd don't get severance, even if fired.

The real purpose of the PIP process is to grind people down so they make mistakes, costing them what could otherwise be beautiful lawsuits [1], or just stop showing up (which I guess would fall under quitting, since they end up firing themselves, at least bureaucratically speaking).

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[1] This is surprisingly easy to do in the US. If you post about your termination on social media, this can be construed as "cause after the fact" and make a termination that was in fact unjust or unlawful now legal. The employer's argument becomes that they knew you held malice toward the company ("cause") but couldn't prove it--the social media activity becomes said "proof".

Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by halfmatthalfcat on Friday July 01, 2022 @01:50PM (#31950071)
That may be for more cold blooded companies but most PIPs I've witnessed have gotten severance and actually good packages to boot.
Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by bko on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:42PM (#31952558)
Same here. Severance is very cheap in the grand scheme of things. If someone is a poor performer, they're essentially a negative value add. Your default is continuing to pay them a salary, so you may as well agree to continue to do that for a number of weeks and just have them not work. I've seen 2 weeks for every year at the firm as standard
Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by rexpop on Friday July 01, 2022 @06:23PM (#31953782)
It's not necessarily about severance; could be keeping unemployment insurance premiums low, too.
Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by ac29 on Friday July 01, 2022 @06:49PM (#31954023)
Yes, most people dont realize companies can be financially impacted through the unemployment system when they lay someone off even if there are no direct severance payments.

An employee who quits isnt eligible for unemployment.

(these rules obviously vary by country/state/etc)

Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by aeyes on Friday July 01, 2022 @01:57PM (#31950187)
Agree, I mostly saw: Take this generous amount of money and hand in your resignation or you won't have to come back tomorrow and you get nothing.
Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by DisjointedHunt on Friday July 01, 2022 @03:11PM (#31951271)
Take this generous amount of money (1 month pay) and SIGN THIS WAIVER RELEASING US OF ALL FUTURE LIABILITIES is the important part.
Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by krallja on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:58PM (#31953552)
also usually anti-badmouthing clauses in both directions. “you may never blog about this experience”
Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by williamsmj on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:34PM (#31952465)
> Generally, people who get PIP'd don't get severance, even if fired.

Not quite true at Amazon, the most infamous PIP user. You get put on "Focus". If you fail that, you are offered severance or to go on a PIP. True, once you're on the PIP, you're not going to get a severance offer. (This is all according to https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/amazon, which is excerpted by the author here https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1537810787473006593.)

Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by DoneWithAllThat on Friday July 01, 2022 @02:08PM (#31950360)
I have never, at any company, found this to be true.
Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by cyanydeez on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:49PM (#31954899)
Not knowing who is worth firing seems like mismanagement to me alongside the obvious " do more work plebs and you'll be safe"
Re:Meta slashes hiring plans, girds for 'fierce' headwinds by bojangleslover on Saturday July 02, 2022 @06:57AM (#31957927)
Once you get paid, you and the company are even. Of course one would want as much reasonable employee protection as usual but practical realities dictate that you shouldn't get something for nothing.