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Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by r_harriso on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:37PM (#31903781)
The reason that Tolkien didn’t write an industrial revolution into the history of middle earth is that he hated industry. Hated how it destroyed bucolic village life.

Having this take on LoTR is pointless. Just an annoying waste of time.

Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by dj_mc_merlin on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:57PM (#31903906)
The point of the article is to talk about the industrial revolution. It is no great feat of intelligence to figure out the reason something is not in a book is because the author didn't want it there. I personally thought these thoughts were a bit scattered but ultimately somewhat interesting. And the thought of Gandalf waving a .44 around is funny.
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by p_l on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @09:45AM (#31907591)
Especially when you consider that Gandalf is essentially "LARPing" a human - and has access to weapons of mass destruction if he threw off his limits.
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by strken on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @12:00AM (#31903926)
I think the point wasn't to interpret the books. The author hasn't read them, which is an obvious giveaway. As an excuse to write thousands of words about the starting conditions of the industrial revolution, it doesn't seem like a waste of time.
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by ncmncm on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @12:08AM (#31903977)
Yet, he had bellows forges. Curiously selective. And explosives, for his fireworks.

I think it was Saruman who did the industrial bit, and used wood for the fuel. (No dwarven miners to hand, I guess? But orcs like it underground.) But inventing guns all by himself seems like a tall order, even given several centuries' plotting.

Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by moomoo11 on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @12:13AM (#31904005)
Thanks for introducing a new word to me -

bucolic

relating to the pleasant aspects of the countryside and country life. "the church is lovely for its bucolic setting"

Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by totetsu on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @12:33AM (#31904106)
referring to shepherds related to Bullock via bucula , and maybe the bugle horn
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by matkoniecz on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @08:21AM (#31906741)
> didn’t write an industrial revolution into the history of middle earth

He wrote it, with focus on negative effect - note ending of the book.

Curiously Shire has numerous products that require industrial base, without industrial revolution being present.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmentalism_in_The_Lord_o...

Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by rockemsockem on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @12:26AM (#31904062)
Less pointless than this comment for sure though
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by yyyk on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:56PM (#31903899)
You're of course right about the real reason, but speculating within the setting is fun (and also a waste of time by definition).
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by r_harriso on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @12:01AM (#31903930)
I’m definitely being too negative about something that is silly.

Im just tired of this kind of analysis. It’s common in ASOIAF space. there it is often done completely seriously. I spent a lot of time in that space, so I think I’m just overly sensitive.

Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by bloodyplonker22 on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:49PM (#31903846)
Tolkien lived in a city in Oxford which was neither bucolic nor a village. It sounds more like you hate industry and wish to return to bucolic village life.
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by ehnto on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:57PM (#31903907)
I have no idea if Tolkein loved or hated industry, but simply living in a city doesn't suddenly make you an industrialist as much as living in a village doesn't make you a farmer.

If anything, living in the city gives you an excellent perspective on the effects of industrialization, form ones own opinions from there.

Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by r_harriso on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @12:02AM (#31903938)
Also, there were cities before industrialization. Can’t remember the names of any right now… but I pretty sure there were a few.
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by bawolff on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @12:42AM (#31904173)
Pretty sure that's most capital cities in europe. E.g. London, Rome
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by V-2 on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @04:21AM (#31905432)
I suppose GP was being ironic ;)
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by mikeyouse on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:51PM (#31903858)
Tolkiens views weren’t subtle or complicated..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmentalism_in_The_Lord...

Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by r_harriso on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:53PM (#31903875)
Wow didn’t even take as much work as I suggested.
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by lordnacho on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @02:58AM (#31904935)
Oxford is known for having some quite stunning villages surrounding it. I went back in the weekend for a reunion, the city itself is still quite pretty with plenty of river paths.
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by r_harriso on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:52PM (#31903869)
Seems like you googled where he lived and haven’t read any analysis of his works and letters.
Re:Why hasn't Middle Earth had an Industrial Revolution? by bencollier49 on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @02:39AM (#31904815)
Bit of a stretch to figure Oxford as "ravaged by industry" though, isn't it? The Cotswolds are suffused with bucolicity.