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Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by freedomben on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:26AM (#31895909)
Indeed. can you imagine if Microsoft had made it so that IE was the only browser you were allowed to install on Windows so you couldn't install Netscape even if you wanted to?
Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by AlexandrB on Monday June 27, 2022 @12:21PM (#31896787)
This would have been fine if Windows wasn't 95+% of desktop computer market share at the time. The regulatory argument was that Microsoft was abusing their desktop OS monopoly to give themselves an unfair advantage in another market (browsers).

By contrast iOS is ~50% of mobile OS market share (in the US, I think it's less elsewhere). Hardly a monopoly. If using a different mobile browser is important to you, there's a competing, popular mobile OS that can provide that.

Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by warning26 on Monday June 27, 2022 @12:54PM (#31897309)
People always say "oh you can just switch mobile OSes" as if that's as simple as walking into a Target instead of a Walmart.

Ecosystems exist. Throw away your phone and every piece of software you've ever bought for it just so you can install a particular app? Ridiculous.

Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by fauigerzigerk on Monday June 27, 2022 @01:23PM (#31897733)
This logic doesn't work with just two competitors globally. What if choosing my browser isn't the only thing important to me?

If governments give corporations with such overwhelming market dominance completely free rein then developers are nothing more than sharecroppers and consumers are going to pay the price either financially, in terms of privacy or through limited choice.

Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by stale2002 on Monday June 27, 2022 @01:05PM (#31897461)
> Hardly a monopoly

The specific term here would be duopoly.

And a duopoly still has a large ability to engage in anti-competitive practices that harm the market.

50% of a market is with the realm where you can cause significant harm to competition.

Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by Nullabillity on Monday June 27, 2022 @05:50PM (#31901323)
Apple makes 100% of the OS options available to iDevices, and 100% of all devices that run iOS.

They also control 100% of the OSes that run iOS applications, and allow iOS purchases to be redeemed.

That sounds a lot like a monopoly to me.

Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by yladiz on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:50PM (#31902836)
Yeah, if you've chosen a contrived and extremely narrowly defined market as the one you base whether something is a monopoly, of course it's going to sound like a monopoly.
Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security by ImPostingOnHN on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @04:34PM (#31912676)
Your response fails to meaningfully address any of the points in the post it is responding to

you could have saved time and just said "I disagree but refuse to explain my disagreement"