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Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by rayiner on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @07:13AM (#31834481)
What I love is that institutions like universities will happily link arms with Qatar for the $$$, despite the neo-slavery: https://www.qatar.northwestern.edu. Really puts their woke messaging at home in context.
Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by moomoo11 on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @07:51AM (#31834817)
Lol it’s also every single company ever. Look at the US/Western twitter accounts of major corporations and they’re all rainbows. Then look at their Middle East or other regions twitter accounts.. the only color they care about is green. Everything else is marketing backed by legal.

I was selected for a project in a Gulf country and we had a preliminary session where I got an eye opener. Basically, no women or gays, no non Islam religious paraphernalia, no atheists, no Jews and if you have Israeli stamp the company would help you get a new passport, no drinking, cover up tattoos. Never noped the fuck outta something as fast as declining that project. No money is worth working for these savage nations.

It’s gross how much these corporations act woke in the west and then basically bend to these kinds of countries. Disgusting, and yet everyone in the west eats up the marketing propaganda.

Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @10:44AM (#31836653)
We had a project in a relatively modernized Islamic country, and all the women were basically ripped off the project right before go-live.

Men were sent to the country in their stead, and had to pretend they were the ones responsible for building the thing.

The women were told it was for their safety, but the rumor was that a week before we were set to travel, the customer had apparently said, "by the way, we don't do business with women."

Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by nemo44x on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:25AM (#31835120)
> the only color they care about is green.

As it should be. Corporations should not have many opinions and should operate within the law. If corporate leaders or employees don’t like it then they can spend their free time lobbying or campaigning for politicians that want to change things. Only after the law is changed should the company make a change. Until then, business as usual.

Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by pmoriarty on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:48AM (#31835367)
"Corporations should not have many opinions and should operate within the law."

That would almost be ok if corporations weren't allowed to lobby the government, have their employees, owners or board members go work in politics or have other types of influence on politicians.

But they have tremendous influence on the laws that they themselves ostensibly have to follow.

Not to mention that:

- even when they break laws they tend to get just a slap on the wrist

- the corporate execs responsible for the lawbreaking rarely go to jail

- even if they're unlucky enough to go to jail the jails tend to be cushy country clubs

- execs have golden parachutes that let them cash out even if they screw the company, and can easily get jobs elsewhere (not that the people at the top who bear ultimate responsibility for the company even have to work another day in their life)

- corporations manipulate voters' opinions through (perfectly legal) advertising, PR, media ownership/influence, sponsorship, greenwashing, astroturfing, etc

Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by spacemanmatt on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:29AM (#31835176)
> Corporations should not have many opinions

I'm curious where this view comes from. The last time I checked, corporations are composed of people, and people are fraught with opinion.

Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by lancesells on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:38AM (#31835270)
IMO this is a terrible take on what companies should be doing. "Unless there's a law against it we should be doing it" is not how people who make up a corporation should be thinking.
Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by wasmitnetzen on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:32AM (#31835201)
I respectfully disagree. A company is just a group of people, and thus, it has common goals and opinions, like any other group of people.
Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by bitcurious on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:33AM (#31835216)
> As it should be. Corporations should not have many opinions and should operate within the law.

Corporations should operate within the confines of non-discrimination law. If these business opportunities aren’t open to their Jewish or female employees, they are partaking in discrimination.

Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by Eric_WVGG on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:33AM (#31835222)
some real IBM in the 1930s energy here
Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by carapace on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @09:07AM (#31835550)
This implies that one should set aside moral values when joining a corporation, and that laws can and should enforce morality. Both of those propositions are dubious.
Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by mikkergp on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:48AM (#31835374)
Weird take in a forum for an industry built on “disruption”
Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by causi on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:44AM (#31835334)
Corporations should not have many opinions and should operate within the law.

Until we start crucifying corporate lobbyists in the public square, mass criticism is the only weapon we have.

Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by legutierr on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @07:47AM (#31834775)
“Institutions” in general don’t have woke messaging, specific institutions do. “Universities” in general don’t have partnerships with the Qatar government, specific universities do.

Just because one university is very “woke”, and another university forms a partnership with Qatar does not mean that universities in general are hypocritical, or even that any specific university is hypocritical.

If you are going to make such a broad argument as “American universities are hypocritically supporting the Qarar government” as you seem to be, you need to give more examples than just one university forming a partnership with Qatar.

Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by brippalcharrid on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @10:04AM (#31836112)
It doesn't have to be a case of a university signalling to the world that they are embarking on a formal partnership with government of Qatar, it just needs to be one of many indirect mechanisms through which they take a large amount of money that originates from Qatar, and a department or scholar or research foundation or a commercial partnership confers kudos upon a Qatari foundation or the royal family, or indicates patronage. There are a million ways of dressing it up, universities have PR departments and strategic communications consultancies to keep bad news at bay, and few students or academics are going to go to all that trouble to bite the hand that feeds them. You just end up with a state of the art new department building or facility that has been funded by a foundation with an Arabic name (perhaps an Emir or a sheikh's wife or daughter), and some dignitaries attending an opening ceremony on a Saturday morning to a hand-picked crowd while most of the students on campus are sleeping in. None of this is at all remarkable in today's landscape of intense inter-university competition. Also, they're not going to fund sociology departments; it's often directed towards the hard sciences or Arabic language/literature/history/cultural studies. And that's before you get onto endowments from Blue Chip companies that are actually vehicles for wealthy investors.
Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by rayiner on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @10:41AM (#31836619)
I’m thinking of a specific school that has a prominent, and very liberal, journalism school that has deep ties with Qatar: https://freebeacon.com/national-security/inside-qatars-multi...
Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by jsjohnst on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @11:05AM (#31836970)
I’m not getting involved in the debate over what’s a “woke” university and what isn’t (partly because everyone’s definition is different), but here is a non-exhaustive list of American universities partnered with Qatar:

- Northwestern University

- Cornell University

- Carnegie Mellon University

- Georgetown University

- Texas A&M University

- Virginia Commonwealth University

That’s just the ones I know of in Qatar, there’s also a bunch more in other gulf region countries (like the UAE).

Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by throwaway894345 on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @09:22AM (#31835689)
Is NorthWestern not very woke? Isn't that the campus that launched multiple Title IX inquisition against a law professor on the basis that the law professor criticized Title IX?

> Kipnis was the subject of yet another Northwestern Title IX investigation earlier this year — this time for writing “Unwanted Advances: Sexual Paranoia Comes to Campus,” a book about being investigated for saying there are too many Title IX investigations.

https://www.thefire.org/breaking-laura-kipnis-second-title-i...

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/laura-kipniss-endle...

Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by GuB-42 on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:13AM (#31835017)
Same idea as for the environment.

For many institutions, the idea of being green is to dump their crap in other countries. So much that in many cases, it is better for the environment to put plastics in the regular trash to end up in a proper landfill rather than in the oceans by unscrupulous "recyclers" in countries where regulations are conveniently not enforced.

China used to be one of these dumpster countries, but now, they start caring a bit about the environment, which is a good thing, but there are still plenty of poor countries accepting our trash only to dump it in the oceans or in nature.

Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by lupire on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:14AM (#31835028)
An institution has more than one person with more than one personality in it? Weird!
Re:One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in... by spacemanmatt on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:27AM (#31835150)
Yeah, how stupid are they for trying to be better than the Qatari government. What a bunch of dopes.