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Re:Consciousness is not computation by denton-scratch on Monday June 20, 2022 @02:56PM (#31814167)
Hmmm. You seem to be talking about progressive removal of parts of the brain, until consciousness is no longer manifested.

But that experiment is founded on the assumption that the root of consciousness is the brain; and that consequently, consciousness can be subdivided, like the brain, until there's very little left.

But I contend that that begs the question: it assumes that the root of consciousness is material, and it assumes that consciousness is divisible. So you have made assumptions that are incompatible with consciousness being fundamental and indivisible.

That is: it's not surprising that you disagree with me, because you've assumed that I'm wrong.

Re:Consciousness is not computation by GoblinSlayer on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @04:14AM (#31821552)
The animal world presents varying degree of consciousness from worms to humans. That's apparently evidence that consciousness is a spectrum.
Re:Consciousness is not computation by denton-scratch on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @08:24AM (#31823007)
How can the state of consciousness of a worm be evidence for anything, if you can't observe the worm's state of consciousness?
Re:Consciousness is not computation by GoblinSlayer on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @04:53AM (#31833506)
You can infer worm's state of consciousness by observing its behavior, like for humans.
Re:Consciousness is not computation by denton-scratch on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @07:12AM (#31834468)
By observing it's behaviour you can infer that in some sense it experiences the world. Experiencing events isn't the same as being conscious. If I strike a cricket ball, it experiences the blow; but it isn't conscious.
Re:Consciousness is not computation by GoblinSlayer on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @01:02PM (#31838681)
It's how we establish existence of consciousness in humans and other animals. What you said doesn't differentiate between worms and humans.
Re:Consciousness is not computation by 3g4o53g4o5 on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @09:38AM (#31823786)
First prove that you have consciousness, then we can talk.
Re:Consciousness is not computation by feet on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @06:33AM (#31822341)
How is it neasured
Re:Consciousness is not computation by 3g4o53g4o5 on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @09:39AM (#31823801)
No need because some one just said that consciousness is not a thing that can be measured, HA HA.
Re:Consciousness is not computation by michaelmrose on Monday June 20, 2022 @03:10PM (#31814354)
Other than in your body where do you suppose you exist?
Re:Consciousness is not computation by 3g4o53g4o5 on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:19PM (#31819468)
So you are talking about magic.