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The foundation of illogical and harmful decisions, and violation of human or any kind of rights. Some may think that their sentience is more important then the others. So it is better to not have it at all.

Meanwhile belief in human magic is a bigger problem.

While AI generate text from something that it found on the Internet, well, human also do that and even with a astronomically smaller database.

edit: what I originally mean > Some might say that you cant trust the machine because it every text it generates may not be true. Ok, then how accurate is human? We ca definitely embedded some logic achecker into it.

also thinking > Sentience stuffs are just biologically pre-trained program s. Just cut into the brain and that functionallity will gone forever instantly. Also some people are born to have malfunctioning brain, lacking sentience. For example ASD people usually lack the skills to express themselves, so indeed they have to "learn" how to do that. Sentience is not a property that automatically acquired and absolutely not exclusive to human.

No need because some one just said that consciousness is not a thing that can be measured, HA HA.

First prove that you have consciousness, then we can talk.

So you are talking about magic.

Yup. And people always fails to think about such boundary cases.

Like

> Human can do math proof

Human infant dont.

> Human can see and hear things and interact with the environment.

Obviously a certain amount of population is unable to do that.

> Human learn and grow.

Bacteria can do this too.

This kind of failure of the poor-defined "consciousness" leads to the end of conversation.

> computer, an element of intent or interpretation is needed; otherwise it's just a bunch of stuff doing what stuff does naturall

I mean this violates nothing and I am completely confused why it is a concern.

AI face recognizing cameras are outdoors and run 24/7, and you are trying to say that things like it is not computing and unable to carry out computation?

Well, there is still random quantum behavior in a complete vacuum a.k.a. empty space according to quantum field theory's findings. So yes, empty space is a computer as long as you notice that physics law is doing math all the time.

The operation of adding and subtracting per se in classical computers also lacking these physical properties. If you use this as your counterargument, namely classical computer can compute without the inherent operation owning a physical property, then you left yourself with no ground of saying that quantum computing is invalid. You better check your logic.

Bascially your assumption is that something that looks and works like an Intel CPU carry out an operation, that can be called a computation, everything else is not. But sorry this is not the only method to "compute". You are limiting the definition of computiation and try too hard to justify all false assumption that you have been made.

Well. FYI, unitary transformation, creation and annihilation operator, etc.

Thanks this is exactly what I am trying to say.

We dont know exactly how the universe is doing or how the photons do to themselves, but by doing experiments, scientists figured out the law of computiation of this vague "universe computer" a.k.a laws of physics.

And since scientist's discovery do not violate the actually behavior of the physical world, there established a isomorphism. And the very same law is used in quantum computing, mainly, in chemistry. And everything success and predictable. It is a successful scientific theory. Under this notion, it is nothing wrong to say that the quantum world is doing some kind of computation underneath because it is the current understanding of how the universe works.

Well since there is full of false assumptions, I just give you a name.

@toshitaka_szk in twitter. A Japanese dude can translate languages of birds and successfully did some experiences on it. And he is kind of famous.

And needless to say Hunger the dog[1]. Did this clear your humancentric brain?

[1] https://nypost.com/2021/05/01/this-speech-therapist-taught-h...

> 0 animals can be taught, as far as we've tried - more complex structure

Also this applies to limited intelligence human infant and mathematic immature dudes. So by your logic, those underintelligence human do not have consciousness. QED.

How is it not? Quantum Mechanics and quantum field theory applies everywhere except for the black holes. Human can even harness the power by building quantum computer by that. So here you tried to deny the exist of quantum computing paradigm, a completely different computation approach?

Is this a counterargument? You are denying facts and say something juat even contract with yourself.

> Dolphin can understand sign language but dog dont. So ALL OF THEM do not speak.

Do you mean this? It is the same as saying that you dont understand Japanese and conclud that human can not speak.

Correct me if I am wrong. Or correct yourself.

Sorry but you always forgot that when you sleep your consciousness disappeared. Please take account for this fact. When all sensory shut down, really you feel nothing and of cos think nothing.

True. Quantum behavior is computing linear algebra ever since the Big Bang, and we came accross to discover this fact 15e9 years later.

Not probably, it is a bias. Dolphin can speak, dog can speak, bird can speak too. There is nothing special about homo species except the only fact that we have more neurons in our head. Those "philosophers" love to claim that human consciousness is different than animal and this is the biggest bullshit.