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Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by h2odragon on Saturday June 18, 2022 @08:30AM (#31789244)
Gee thanks for sounding the "impure thought alarm". Someone might have been seduced by the White Supremacy all unknowing.
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by labrador on Saturday June 18, 2022 @08:24AM (#31789203)
I thought frens was a Zoomer thing
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by dubswithus on Saturday June 18, 2022 @10:22AM (#31790040)
> “Well frens it happened to me,” Green tweeted

I think it's a cute way to say the word "friends" for most people. I know it has another meaning. Alt-right folks can try to co-opt it and others can co-opt it right back.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by SpicyLemonZest on Saturday June 18, 2022 @11:02AM (#31790409)
I don’t know if “co-opt” is even the right way to think about it. Do you remember all the breathless articles from the early 2000s about how jelly bracelets are a sex thing? I think this is the modern version of that.
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by dubswithus on Saturday June 18, 2022 @11:20AM (#31790602)
I hadn't heard of this. Interesting.
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by eushebdbsh on Saturday June 18, 2022 @08:27AM (#31789217)
>news.ycombinator.com
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by im3w1l on Saturday June 18, 2022 @08:36AM (#31789276)
I'm not going to say you are wrong, but drawing stereotypical inferences based on someones accent is less than I expect of HN discussion.
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by adhesive_wombat on Saturday June 18, 2022 @09:18AM (#31789566)
I don't think a 48-year-old professional actor is misspelling "friend" because of his accent, when that exact spelling is an alt-right shibboleth.

As indicated by the deliberate use of the word "adjacent", it's a sign that the crypto space and the alt-right have sufficient contact that there is horizontal memetic transfer (in both the original and modern senses of "meme") between the two.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by cjbgkagh on Saturday June 18, 2022 @10:38AM (#31790160)
I don’t think Seth Green is alt-right. I think he’s Jewish as well. I’m assuming ‘frens’ lost a lot of it's meaning, I doubt most of the people using it know it’s origins, and that includes Seth Green. It would be a similar infraction to Katy Perry using a Pepe meme.
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by adhesive_wombat on Saturday June 18, 2022 @11:06AM (#31790463)
I said nothing about the person, just the spaces.

And considering that Richard Spencer himself called Bitcoin, "the currency of the alt-right" it's not surprising if there's cultural cross-pollination.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by plorg on Saturday June 18, 2022 @11:23AM (#31790644)
You might be more closely tuned in to what's happening in those alt-right(-adjacent) spaces, but I am both seriously doubtful that the word originated in those places and also confident that it is used in such a large variety of ways that it cannot be reliable indicator that a person saying it has anything to do with those spaces.

For example, pretty much everyone I hear saying this word is a liberal. But that says more about who I spend my time with than who uses the words. It has more to do with being Extremely Online than with any specific political affiliation.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by robonerd on Saturday June 18, 2022 @12:20PM (#31791261)
I'm afraid you've gone off the rails and forgotten Bayes theorem.

P(alt-right|fren) = P(fren|alt-right) P(alt-right) / P(fren)

You have tunnel vision for P(fren|alt-right) and are confusing it with P(alt-right|fren).

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by davidgay on Saturday June 18, 2022 @12:59PM (#31791651)
If P(fren|alt-right)=1 and P(fren and not alt-right) is low versus P(alt-right) then P(alt-right|fren) is actually high...
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by robonerd on Saturday June 18, 2022 @01:06PM (#31791717)
> and P(fren and not alt-right) is low

But it probably isn't. It's a cutesy term adjacent to pet-speak and baby-speak. Do an image search for "frens" and most of what you'll find is cute animals, 10-to-1 vs frog cartoons.

https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/uyhno1/frens_chilling_...

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by adhesive_wombat on Saturday June 18, 2022 @01:21PM (#31791854)
8 out of 10 Google image results for "frens" (in a new session) involve meme frogs, and one of them refers to "bopping" of non-frens which, at least at some point, was fren-speak for murder.

https://www.google.com/search?q=frens&tbm=isch

Very wholesome.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by robonerd on Saturday June 18, 2022 @01:27PM (#31791906)
Maybe this is your browsing history? I did a duckduckgo image search from a private tab, and got 10-to-1 cute animals. Search it on reddit and you'll find that the term is very popular with people who like cute things.

The alt-right has a meme of 'appropriating' popular terms and symbols in an attempt to make people overestimate P(alt-right|symbol), to make their critics seem unhinged as they level accusations against innocent people, and to make themselves seem more popular than they actually are. They've done this with 'frens', the 'okay gesture', and even drinking milk. You have unfortunately fallen for this, and become their tool.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by egypturnash on Saturday June 18, 2022 @02:53PM (#31792670)
I just duckwent[1] an image search for "frens" and got four Pepes in the first 30 results.

The same search on Google gives me pretty much nothing but Pepes - only 7 images in the first 30 results are not Pepes. Google is pretty convinced "fren" is an alt-right signifier.

1: I am proposing "duckwent" as the past tense for "duckduckgo".

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by Dan_Sylveste on Saturday June 18, 2022 @11:38AM (#31790827)
>it's a sign that the crypto space and the alt-right have sufficient contact

That's a nice theory, and until a proof has been constructed, presented and validated it'll keep being a nice theory.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by lupire on Saturday June 18, 2022 @10:16AM (#31790005)
It's not alt-right.

It's just dopey Internet slang, like lulz and omgwtfbbq, and alt-right (whatever that means) is also an Internet thing.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by euroderf on Saturday June 18, 2022 @07:58AM (#31789077)
Wait, so, spelling mods are right wing ?
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by Ixiaus on Saturday June 18, 2022 @08:26AM (#31789214)
"Frens" in particular is, yes.
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by cecilpl2 on Saturday June 18, 2022 @10:52AM (#31790311)
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fren

It predates the co-opting by the alt-right though.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by cratermoon on Saturday June 18, 2022 @11:10AM (#31790514)
> It predates the co-opting by the alt-right though.

So does the "OK" gesture. The swastika existed for almost 2000 years, and was a good luck symbol, even in the west, until 1930s. The sonnenrad, the othal rune, the Celtic cross, and the triskele.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by robonerd on Saturday June 18, 2022 @12:24PM (#31791299)
> So does the "OK" gesture.

P(uses the OK gesture) dwarfs P(is alt-right). Plug it all into Bayes theorem and you'll find that P(is alt-right|gestures OK) must be small.

In other words, you're falling for a manufactured hysteria. One that is designed to make people jump at shadows, level unjustified accusations, and generally make you seem uncredible and neurotic.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by stickfigure on Sunday June 19, 2022 @01:36AM (#31796423)
Only fringe ideologues desperately searching for outrage think the OK gesture has anything to do with white supremacy. This is the McMartin Preschool of the present day.

The swastika, on the other hand, was used in living memory by an organization that murdered millions of people. Like the toothbrush mustache, it will be generations before that can come back in style.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by Zababa on Saturday June 18, 2022 @11:35AM (#31790781)
I don't remember "frens" being used as a symbol by a country/ideology commiting war crimes during a world war.
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by aaaaaaaaata on Saturday June 18, 2022 @08:45AM (#31789326)
Go on.
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by tartsky on Saturday June 18, 2022 @09:05AM (#31789483)
"far-right ethno-nationalists"
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by tmaly on Saturday June 18, 2022 @09:10AM (#31789517)
Hmm learned something new. All this time I thought it was just lingo of the younger generation
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by Hellion on Saturday June 18, 2022 @09:24AM (#31789613)
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by Zaskoda on Saturday June 18, 2022 @02:43PM (#31792589)
deep sigh

"The idea is to talk like a small child or intellectually disabled person"

That's effectively an ignorant description of the entire doge meme.

RationalWiki's "source" for this information is a Reddit post with 6 upvotes and 5 comments. It's remarkable that anyone on hackernews even knew about this.

What is this subculture that watches for any slang to be used by an objectionable group so that it can be proclaimed a cultural characteristic of said group?

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by the_only_law on Saturday June 18, 2022 @02:45PM (#31792612)
> information is a Reddit post with 6 upvotes and 5 comments. It's remarkable that anyone on hackernews even knew about this.

Not for any "extremely online" person. Hell iirc, the original honkler subreddit or whatever the hell it was called even made in to mainstream media.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by the_only_law on Saturday June 18, 2022 @02:50PM (#31792645)
FWIW I think GP has a point, a lot of this stuff just bleeds into normal Internet slang. Despite what the news would say, I don't expect any rando posting pepe memes in a discord to be a hardcore /pol/ dweeb.
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by tartsky on Saturday June 18, 2022 @11:22AM (#31790627)
I'm glad to see there's barely any uptake of the term on HN: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Mostly people talking about it, not using it.

Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by the_only_law on Saturday June 18, 2022 @02:47PM (#31792621)
Yeah look, I'm still pretty young, I'm usually "in" on whatever Internet slang is en-vouge and even use it myself in more casual places, but I still cringe when I see "zoomer speak" on this site.
Re:We’ve only scratched the surface of how bad the crypto cr... by freiherr on Saturday June 18, 2022 @11:05AM (#31790457)
It makes sense, but wouldn't think about that myself. But still it's just a word from Apu Apustaja memes that rightwingers try to take for themselves.