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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by pcmoney on Friday June 17, 2022 @11:19AM (#31779489)
No but if I am paying him $300/hr and what he is doing is not related to fixing the toilet and is in fact causing me more problems or distracting the electrician who is also costing me $300/hr. Getting rid of him is not petty tyranny.

Also I am not threatening his career, he is, he is choosing to take a principled stand and should understand the likely consequences and be willing to accept them.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by disintegore on Friday June 17, 2022 @11:50AM (#31779998)
It was a mistake to participate in this absurd analogy to begin with. You can just stretch it until it becomes convenient again. There is simply no comparing the power dynamic between you and an independent contractor to that of an aerospace company and its highly specialized workforce.

It's a simple fact that SpaceX chose its CEO's public image over its mission statement and reputation. I hope future prospects realize that there is no stability or long-term personal growth to be found there unless they can keep their heads down and kiss ass.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by pcmoney on Friday June 17, 2022 @12:19PM (#31780462)
No they chose to remove unproductive, toxic people who were distracting away from the people actually doing the work.
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by davidcbc on Friday June 17, 2022 @01:40PM (#31781628)
No, they kept Elon
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by mempko on Friday June 17, 2022 @01:22PM (#31781365)
Keep going, you are almost there.... so close. Read the letter, what is it about?
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by arghnoname on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:47PM (#31782598)
I think the workforce being highly specialized is where this gets tricky. In principle I think firing someone for causing internal strife in someone's judgement as a manager is in accordance to how our economy is structured and is to be expected. We may disagree with the judgement, but it isn't a free speech issue if that person can just go get another job. The 'consequences' to their speech are inconsequential enough that their ability to express themselves is not prohibited even if inconvenient.

But if they can't work anymore because they got fired from the one employer of their skill the consequences are quite severe. They have to learn a new field! Ideally I'd say people with this specialized skill set form a guild or union. The same thing that makes them vulnerable makes their employer vulnerable--the workers of that industry are highly concentrated, with high investment in skill development. Absent that, it's a tricky issue and I think it would be fair to say that at least a warning would have been in order before dismissal.

I don't know if the people Musk fired are in this category or not. If it were an office manager, for example, seems fine. if it is an engineer on some space ship esoterica, ouch.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by achenet on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:07PM (#31782023)
In theory, if politics starts making SpaceX ineffective, the free market will provide an opening for a competitor with a more effective culture to eat their lunch.
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by JackFr on Friday June 17, 2022 @12:45PM (#31780880)
> there is no stability or long-term personal growth to be found there unless they [do their jobs].
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by d0mine on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:06PM (#31782017)
CEO who surrenders themselves with yes-men is bad at his job.
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by disintegore on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:00PM (#31781941)
Way to tell on yourself there
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by achenet on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:04PM (#31781994)
> No but if I am paying him $300/hr and what he is doing is not related to fixing the toilet and is in fact causing me more problems or distracting the electrician who is also costing me $300/hr. Getting rid of him is not petty tyranny.

Perhaps this isn't a good analogy, but if you yelling insults at the the neighbors makes it harder for him to fix the toilet, and he asks you to stop, would you still fire him for it?

Because you could argue, although with difficulty, that Musk tweeting stupid things makes it more difficult for SpaceX employees to do their work.

In practice, I've found it generally easier and wiser to leave a company with a stupid boss rather than ask the stupid boss to change, but I see why someone could try the latter.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by arghnoname on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:51PM (#31782655)
It's a funny point. If I were having some argument with the neighbor and the plumber gave me shit about it...to be honest, I'd be super-annoyed and while I wouldn't fire the plumber (it's difficult to get plumbers on site!), I probably wouldn't have him back.

Your point is a good one though, to continue the analogy, the plumber shouldn't want to come back. Erratic and volatile bosses are best avoided. I prefer it when they do this stuff loudly and in public so I can know to avoid them.