News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by ravel-bar-foo on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:39AM (#31778886)
Musk has a security clearance, so he either has a prescription or he's not on illegal drugs.
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by perihelions on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:50AM (#31779046)
He took federal schedule I substances on a live YouTube stream. A third option is that the DoD doesn't actually care that much.

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-elon-musk-security-cl...

- "Musk has refiled his SF-86 security form, which requires a federal employee or contractor seeking a clearance to acknowledge any illegal drug use over the previous seven years, according to the official, who asked not to be identified. SpaceX has contracts to launch satellites for the U.S. military."

- "Musk’s “adjudication” review by the Defense Security Service continues with no decision yet, the U.S. official said. Typically during an adjudication, a person keeps his or her security clearance but loses access to information classified as secret, according to the official. If the drug use involves minor issues or doesn’t appear to contain any serious security concerns, the unit reviewing the case could just close it and update Musk’s record."

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by scollet on Sunday June 19, 2022 @06:51AM (#31798147)
> He took federal schedule I substances on a live YouTube stream. A third option is that the DoD doesn't actually care that much. https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-elon-musk-security-cl...

This is about weed, what are you talking about?

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by OrvalWintermute on Friday June 17, 2022 @11:10AM (#31779347)
the argument about illegal drugs is, in part, that someone using them can be blackmailed, and may be a total junkie willing to sell out secrets for a 8 ball. He isn't hanging out on skidrow begging for change to get his next heroin fix.

I don't think either of those apply with Musk, because he is a pot afficianado and openly pushing it, and pro-legalization. Some states have legalized because they want those juicy tax revenues, There is a significant part of the populace that realizes pot has been overcriminalized particularly for those with medical issues. While there are risks and dangers associated with all of these (see Alex Berenson), I don't see an adjudication authority seeing Musk as a security risk.

Dollars talk, and saving the federal government hundreds of millions with cheaper launches probably influences this some. But, the feds prolly see the long view and recognize Musk is likely to push the Americans into the infinity cash supplies of space tourism, space freight, deep space exporation, space mining, and the national prestige of first humans to Mars. Why would they want to impair that over a bit of weed?

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by scollet on Sunday June 19, 2022 @06:52AM (#31798156)
Bro I think you should lay off the cough syrup. What the fuck is this comment?
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by ghotli on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:49AM (#31779042)
I had a knee jerk reaction to this but taking the high road. I sincerely don't believe that the venn diagram of people with security clearance doesn't overlap at all with "those that use illegal drugs"

I would guess that there's a culture of delusion surrounding this wherein because "it's the rules" they are actually followed. You know because rules are rules. The world, especially those like the Elons of the world, don't care to follow them as diligently as perhaps a command and control military / public service style structure demands. I'd even be surprised if even in the federal government those with security clearance were completely sober and free of the drugs considered illegal under US law.

You know Elon is gonna do what he wants to do. For better (electric cars, reusable rockets) or for worse (open his twitter feed any day of the week).

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by confidantlake on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:52PM (#31782658)
I suspect compliance for federal workers is very high, pardon the pun. Your average Joe fed is not going to be treated the same if they are caught using drugs vs elon being caught using drugs.
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by tekno45 on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:42AM (#31778929)
you know he smoked weed live right?
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by jvanderbot on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:51AM (#31779058)
Right, clearances are highly individualized, and have very little to do with those lifestyle decisions. They can grant or revoke essentially at will.
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by ravel-bar-foo on Friday June 17, 2022 @11:06AM (#31779276)
Right. People were calling for him to be tested for it over his clearance. He was also supposedly very careful to not inhale.
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by SSLy on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:53AM (#31779093)
cannabis still isn't prescribe-able in USA?
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by mikeyouse on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:59AM (#31779168)
Some states allow from prescriptions, but it's still Federally illegal - and of course the Federal government doesn't care about state law when making decisions about security classifications.
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by dragonwriter on Friday June 17, 2022 @11:06AM (#31779282)
> the Federal government doesn't care about state law when making decisions about security classifications.

I suspect this is less true than you think; since federal prosecution is blocked by law for state-legal use, one of the major security clearance reasons for it to be an issue (the leverage that the criminal behavior might give others over you because of prosecution risk) is very much affected by state law.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by effingwewt on Friday June 17, 2022 @11:38AM (#31779815)
I never realized until the comments today that the reason you can't be on even state-legal prescribed drugs is because you become more open to blackmail and exploitation or prosecution risk.

But wouldn't debt of any kind, or regular motivations such as greed, family (maybe a relative got into drugs/trouble) be the same or even worse?

It just seems like a left-over relic from the 'reefer madness' days.

A big part of my early distrust for police stems from the lies they told me in D.A.R.E. 'class'. Marijuana will turn you into a drug-fueled criminal, it eats your brain cells like this spray paint on a Styrofoam cup, and they never come back, this is your brain (egg), this is your brain on 'drugs' (but it's an anti-weed commercial) and the egg starts frying in a pan. They spent years trying to convince the very young and very old that weed==narcotics.

As I've gotten older I've realized almost everyone has some issue- addiction, drug use, over-indulgence of whatever, just seems some are hell bent on hiding it and pretending they don't.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by confidantlake on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:53PM (#31782676)
I agree with you, but debts are one of the things investigated for clearances.
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by effingwewt on Friday June 17, 2022 @09:14PM (#31786462)
I guess my point was these are all uncomfortable issues that can pop up literally any time, or be hidden fairly well. All of them.

It just makes no sense to me, maybe it did in the cold war era.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by mikeyouse on Friday June 17, 2022 @11:52AM (#31780021)
Admittedly, I'm pretty far from that world, but I follow a bunch of NatSec folks on Twitter and Bradley Moss and Mark Zaid are specialist NatSec lawyers who represent many people denied clearances;

https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1468223510724190208

https://twitter.com/MarkSZaidEsq/status/1334879994896666624

It sounds like it differs greatly between departments and whether the usage was in the past or the present.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by vel0city on Friday June 17, 2022 @03:33PM (#31783168)
> since federal prosecution is blocked by law for state-legal use

Source for that? One would think the supremacy clause overrides any idea of state law.

> This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me that if its federally illegal its still illegal within the states. The only question is if the federal government really cares to enforce the law in states where a large population of the state is openly breaking the federal laws.