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Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by ncmncm on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @04:07PM (#31758745)
When your argument depends on all existing trends reversing, that tells us all we need to know about your conclusion.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @04:42PM (#31759201)
You seem to ignore the fact that existing trends were artificially manipulated to suppress the nuclear energy use.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by pfdietz on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @07:37PM (#31760814)
"The fact". I think not.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @07:46PM (#31760885)
There is an abundance of data, if one is willing to look. Just first links from DDG:

"Has Russia Been Financing Western Environmentalism?" (2022) [1]

"Putin Is Funding Green Groups to Discredit Natural Gas Fracking" (2017) [2]

"German green group branded a Russian ‘puppet’ over Nord Stream II gas pipeline" (2021) [3]

[1]: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18330/russia-funding-envi...

[2]: https://www.newsweek.com/putin-funding-green-groups-discredi...

[3]: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/german-green-group-brande...

Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by pfdietz on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @08:22PM (#31761140)
This is a load of conspiracy theoretic BS, starting from the nonsense position that environmental groups are the source of nuclear's failure.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday June 16, 2022 @01:04AM (#31762582)
Yeah right, "Independent fact-checkers said the information is false".

The greens in Germany have consistently worked on destroying Germany's nuclear energy generation, and now it is completely dependent on gas import from Russia, funding Putin's war with Ukraine.

Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by pfdietz on Thursday June 16, 2022 @08:02AM (#31765022)
I can fully agree that green groups have opposed nuclear.

I call bullshit on the absurd idea that the global failure of nuclear is due to these groups.

Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday June 16, 2022 @11:07AM (#31766915)
I can hardly call nuclear energy to be a 'global failure'. True, 'green' groups had some success with scaremongering people to be afraid of nuclear energy, but it is generating 10% of energy globally (projected to rise to 15% by 2030 [1] ), with much higher shares in developed countries. If anything, the Fukushima effect has finally weared out, and we'll see new plants constructed which were halted because of that scaremongering.

[1]: https://www.world-energy.org/article/16596.html

Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by pfdietz on Thursday June 16, 2022 @12:55PM (#31768317)
Well, it obviously is a global failure. It exists in places where people can be forced to pay for it. There is not a single competitive energy market where merchant nuclear reactors have been built to compete in that market. That's because it's just too expensive. Sure, reactors have been built to exploit monopolies, and where political considerations trump economic ones. That's nothing to be proud of.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday June 16, 2022 @07:56PM (#31772439)
Just because you repeat it again and again, and use the word "obvious", nuclear power does not become a 'global failure'. I fail to see any arguments in your posts, just NUCLEAR BAD slogans.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by ncmncm on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:14AM (#31774635)
See, this is why nobody trusts nuke advocates.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by trashtester on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @06:51PM (#31760441)
Trends and fashions come and go. My daughter is wearing pants that look that the ones my mother wore some years before I was born. At that time, nuclear power was still popular. And now, perhaps, it is becoming so again.

Indeed, the NYT article in the topic is discussing this very question.

Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by ncmncm on Thursday June 16, 2022 @02:36AM (#31763075)
Nukes get less competitive with each passing day. But that does not keep shills out of the NYT's pages. Fortunately actual investment does not follow shills.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:25AM (#31764378)
Tell that to France, those losers still generate 70% of energy with nuclear plants, instead of following the lead of their German colleagues in denuclearizing their energy grid.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by ncmncm on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:29AM (#31764405)
Yet, France has no plans to build replacements for the large majority of plants soon to age out. What they will build is purely politically motivated. Those probably will not be completed, as they would be uncompetitive, but ratepayers might be forced to make them profitable by paying way more for power than their neighbors.

Germany elected to build out a great deal of wind generation capacity rather than refurbish a much smaller capacity of aged, ramshackle nukes. That has worked out extremely well, and they continue.

Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday June 16, 2022 @11:56AM (#31767518)
> Germany elected to build out a great deal of wind generation capacity rather than refurbish a much smaller capacity of aged, ramshackle nukes. That has worked out extremely well, and they continue.

Really? It has worked really well?? Thanks to these really well policies, Germany has an unbreakable dependence on Russian has [1] and has paid billions of euros to Putin's murderous regime since the start of the war with Ukraine [2].

If this is 'really well', I'd rather pass.

In conclusion, I suggest you start looking more rationally on energy generation, I sense a lot of anger and unexplained hatred towards nuclear power ('aged, ramshackle nukes' is not a rational sensible argumentation).

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/world/europe/germany-gas-...

[2]: https://crea.shinyapps.io/russia_counter/

Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by ncmncm on Thursday June 16, 2022 @02:57PM (#31769619)
Germany was dependent on fossil imports all along. What has changed is they import less, now, than when they ran the nukes. They will import decreasing amounts as they build out more renewables.

It is a fact that the nukes shut down would have needed a great deal of expensive work to continue operating. Germany elected to spend the money on wind, instead, and it bought them more actually delivered wattage than the shut-down nukes had provided.

If nukes were not the most expensive power source going, I would be all for it.

Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday June 16, 2022 @07:59PM (#31772450)
Are you really arguing that they'd import more gas now if they hadn't shut down the nuclear plants?

Everyone including Germans have understood by now that phasing out nuclear was a mistake, but you still repeat that no, gas dependency good, nuclear power independence bad.

Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by ncmncm on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:15AM (#31774641)
Yes. They would be importing more fossil fuels now if they had not built out wind, and had instead spent the money on their reactors.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by Andrew_nenakhov on Friday June 17, 2022 @08:43AM (#31777249)
If they hadn't destroyed their nuclear generation AND created wind&solar, etc, they wouldn't have to import anything from Russia.

For some reason, you (incorrectly) presume that maintaining nuclear energy prevents building wind generators. Also, the money 'spent' on reactors is kinda paid off by customers who pay for the generated electricity.

Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future by ncmncm on Friday June 17, 2022 @11:58AM (#31780135)
Money is fungible. Each euro spent on one thing is a euro not spent on a different thing.

Electrical power is also fungible. A kWh delivered is a kWh, whether generated on a nuke or in a wind turbine.