As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for change in academia

Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by MereInterest on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:55AM (#31752918)

There's also a difference in US and Europe conventions. In Europe, there's typically a 2-year MS followed by a 3-6 year PhD. In the US, these are typically combined into a single 5-8 year PhD program. So an "all but dissertation" phase in Europe is the entirety of the program, it's only the second (and most important) part in a US program.

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Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by chrisseaton on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:31AM (#31753451)

Yeah, and so if you skip the masters then day one of your PhD is the start of your dissertation.

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Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by sky-kedge0749 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @02:09PM (#31756897)

In practice in the U.S. the early part of a PhD program can be very similar to a master's. It's relatively common for people who leave PhD programs to walk away with a master's degree they didn't intend to get. It's called "mastering out."

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Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by chrisseaton on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @02:48PM (#31757507)

Yes you can also leave with an MPhil in the UK if it goes wrong.

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Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by dagw on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:36AM (#31753513)

I though dissertation referred to the final written document you had to produce to get your PhD. Most people I know with PhDs stared writing that during the last year of the PhD program.

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Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by chrisseaton on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:59AM (#31753948)

When you're writing papers during your PhD you're basically writing chapters of your dissertation.

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