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Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by dagw on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:13AM (#31752392)
the latter is you didn't really start it.

That seems unfair. By the time many people get started on their dissertation they have often done years of research and have gotten several papers published. Starting your dissertation basically means that you're 'done' with your PhD and ready to summerize what you've discovered.

Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by MereInterest on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:55AM (#31752918)
There's also a difference in US and Europe conventions. In Europe, there's typically a 2-year MS followed by a 3-6 year PhD. In the US, these are typically combined into a single 5-8 year PhD program. So an "all but dissertation" phase in Europe is the entirety of the program, it's only the second (and most important) part in a US program.
Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by chrisseaton on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:31AM (#31753451)
Yeah, and so if you skip the masters then day one of your PhD is the start of your dissertation.
Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by sky-kedge0749 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @02:09PM (#31756897)
In practice in the U.S. the early part of a PhD program can be very similar to a master's. It's relatively common for people who leave PhD programs to walk away with a master's degree they didn't intend to get. It's called "mastering out."
Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by chrisseaton on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @02:48PM (#31757507)
Yes you can also leave with an MPhil in the UK if it goes wrong.
Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by dagw on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:36AM (#31753513)
I though dissertation referred to the final written document you had to produce to get your PhD. Most people I know with PhDs stared writing that during the last year of the PhD program.
Re:As professors struggle to recruit postdocs, calls for cha... by chrisseaton on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:59AM (#31753948)
When you're writing papers during your PhD you're basically writing chapters of your dissertation.