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Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by userbinator on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:26AM (#31752551)
How does it not count? 10 seconds doesn't seem like much time for a human not really paying attention to the road, as would probably be the case, to assess the situation and respond. Although the cutoff is at 30 seconds, I wonder what the distribution is actually like.
Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by mwint on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:27AM (#31752563)
10s is basically an eternity in car time. Pretty sure I could wake up from a nap and boot my brain enough to drive in 5s or less. A car going 80mph can stop in around 4s.
Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by Someone on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:38AM (#31752700)
> Pretty sure I could wake up from a nap and boot my brain enough to drive in 5s or less.

Citation needed, certainly for the case at hand, where you’re suddenly required to drive a car in an emergency situation.

(Edited to add the claim I responded to, because it looks like a few replies didn’t look at that context)

Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by mwint on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:46AM (#31752802)
On the contrary, I’d challenge anyone to find a non-contrived example of a crash that is unavoidable with 10 seconds of warning. Driving off a 1600 foot cliff does not count.
Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by jepler on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:06AM (#31753092)
Your car has gone the wrong way down an express lane some distance, and deactivated when a semi trailer traveling 75mph in the opposite direction is detected. There is no shoulder, and it's stopping distance plus yours is greater than the remaining distance between you (.1 mile is way insufficient)
Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by mwint on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:08AM (#31753124)
”Wrong way down an express lane” is super contrived. Those are the kinds of clear cut issues that self driving is guaranteed to be better at than humans.
Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by lostmsu on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @12:11PM (#31755192)
If semi can stop in 6 seconds sounding horn would do it.
Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by vagrantJin on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:11AM (#31753160)
Every crash is avoidable by definition.

Human error/poor decisions, mechanical/electronic failures, acts of god could all reasonably be labelled as reasons.

Regardless of time.

Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by mwint on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:24AM (#31753356)
Not every crash is physically avoidable _given a time constraint_. When you're a millisecond from impact, there's nothing you can do. One second, there exist many cases where there's nothing you can do.

10 seconds before impending collision, and it's hard to imagine the case where there's no time to react in some way that avoids the accident.

Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by zozbot234 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:06AM (#31753093)
You are always required to drive the car. Autopilot does not replace an attentive human driver, there is no excuse for being distracted or spacing out.
Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by pwinnski on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:50AM (#31752853)
Pretty sure you could not, and your confidence is terrifying.
Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by mwint on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:15AM (#31753230)
Set a timer and watch it count to 10s. It’s a long time.

Remember, people fall asleep while driving cars pretty regularly. I know people who have fallen asleep driving on the freeway, woken up in the median, and just guided the car back on the road to continue.

Are they stupid for not taking breaks, etc? Yeah. But is it unreasonable to think 10s for taking over control from sleep is doable? No, it’s doable for people with the right mental state. The most common mistake is overcorrection on waking up.

Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by bradfa on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:39AM (#31752710)
With level 2 autonomous driving systems the human is required to always be watching and ready to take over. 10 seconds is a reasonable amount of time for this transition according to Mercedes Drive Pilot system: https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a39481699/what-happens-if-...
Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by andrewaylett on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @12:08PM (#31755133)
That 10s is for a L3 system -- L2 systems require the driver to maintain attention at all times. "FSD" is still a level two system.

In level two, it's not about "handing back control" -- the driver is assumed to be in control at all times, with the car assisting. If the car assists too much then people will start treating it as if it were an L3 system, but it's really not.

Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by boringg on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:31AM (#31752604)
Are you talking from sleep or in the back seat of the car (both illegal)?! 10 seconds is long as hell - i have no clue what you are talking about.
Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by robertlagrant on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:36AM (#31752675)
Definitely sleeping in a cat is illegal.