Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation of stablecoin market

Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by sfe22 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @08:24AM (#31751917)

12 years ago it was a penny. 12 years is not long when we are talking money, so…

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by lancesells on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @08:34AM (#31752037)

Agreed. I don't see any value in it.

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:13AM (#31752388)

> sky is not falling it's probably just going back to a more sane price

Prices per se are almost never meaningful.

Most crypto purchases are underwater [1]. (This is almost always true when something traded grows in value and buyers before crashing.) Many participants are leveraged. Financially, or operationally due to the cost of their mining rigs and long-term energy contracts.

There are also vagaries specific to PoW. For example, a steep enough decline between difficulty adjustments could make mining fundamentally unprofitable, which has its own suite of knock-on effects.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-14/bitcoin-r...

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by legulere on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @08:27AM (#31751947)

The question is: What is a sane price for bitcoin? I would say $0.00.

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by epolanski on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:02AM (#31752280)

The fair price is where the curves of supply and demand meet.

That's what is "fair".

Otherwise we need to speak about "intrinsic value". And there's really no intrinsic value in Bitcoin, money doesn't have an "intrinsic value" against something else.

And if you want to argue that "but the technology!", then what can we talk about? Bitcoin's code is open source, if we launch our own coin does it have intrinsic value as well? Can we create endless new blockchains and create value out of thin air?

This is why I don't believe Bitcoin has a "fair" price, to have it, it would need to have a value and then the loop begins again.

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by olalonde on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:11AM (#31752362)

Bingo. A lot of people mistakenly conclude that Bitcoin's "fair value" must be 0 because it lacks an intrinsic value. But they fail to realize that fiat money also lacks an intrinsic value. Even gold to a large extent lacks an intrinsic value in the sense that its intrinsic value is a negligible fraction of its actual market value.

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by nradov on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:25AM (#31754402)

Intrinsic value (or fair value) is a meaningless concept when applied to currencies. The US dollar has value because the US government maintains a fairly effective monopoly on violence over a large chunk of real estate. They require residents to pay taxes in that currency, and if you don't pay then the government will seize your assets by force. Overall this system works pretty well.

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by arbitrage on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:28AM (#31752572)

You're close. Fiat money has value when it's backed by something. The US$ is backed by the US government. It's still fiat money.

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by olalonde on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:56AM (#31752940)

It is "backed" as in endorsed, or supported, by the US government. In the same sense that Bitcoin is "backed" by its many worldwide supporters and miners. It is not "backed" in the traditional meaning of being redeemable for something else at a fixed rate ("backed by gold", "backed by silver", etc.).

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by legulere on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @01:06PM (#31755976)

The intrinsic value of fiat money is that I can pay my taxes with it and avoid persecution by the state.

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by evdubs on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:47PM (#31771962)

A fair value for Bitcoin at the moment is ~$42,000.

https://www.coinfairvalue.com/coins/bitcoin/

> What do you mean by "fair value"?

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@pablomp/cryptocurrencies-what-i...

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by pmyteh on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:06AM (#31752321)

Clearly greater than zero, if only for the novelty value. What are Zimbabwean $100trn bills going for on eBay these days?

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by Grimburger on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @08:29AM (#31751974)

You can bet on that happening over long periods. Shorting the 2024 bitcoin price isn't hard at all for a consumer.

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by ABeeSea on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @08:41AM (#31752110)

You can only short bitcoin on exchanges that are internally betting on increasing crypto prices. Not exactly a fair market maker.

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by Grimburger on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:47AM (#31752810)

https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/cryptocurrencies/bitcoin/bi...

CME? The same place I can bet up or down on soybeans next year?

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:14AM (#31752396)

Also an unlikely party to pay out should you win.

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Re:Terra Luna crash: CTO of Tether welcomes fair regulation ... by ipaddr on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:47AM (#31754777)

I would take all bitcoin available at that price and so would others.. not really a sane price

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