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Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by nradov on Sunday June 12, 2022 @12:15PM (#31715628)
Powered lift aircraft are not controllable in a glide, nor are they capable of autorotation like a helicopter. Any complete loss of power will result in an unrecoverable spin. For safety these aircraft rely on redundant systems, plus a parachute.

Finding landing sites is going to be a major challenge even if they can solve the battery problems. New York City could be a prime market but there are only a few heliports. Politics and safety issues make it difficult to construct more.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by robonerd on Sunday June 12, 2022 @12:47PM (#31715930)
> New York City could be a prime market but there are only a few heliports.

Afaik rooftop helipads have been banned in NYC ever since an accident in 1977 killed five people.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by merely-unlikely on Sunday June 12, 2022 @01:28PM (#31716346)
There are three heliports on the rivers around Manhattan. There’s plenty of space to build more but noise complaints prevent that from happening. Bezos wanted to build one on the Queens waterfront (LIC) but the city killed the idea.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by bluejekyll on Sunday June 12, 2022 @12:27PM (#31715733)
Any idea what the minimum height for the parachute to be effective as a life saving device?
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by nradov on Sunday June 12, 2022 @12:56PM (#31716020)
Minimum effective altitude for parachutes on light aircraft is about 400 ft agl, but the exact number varies depending on the flight regime. For powered lift aircraft there is likely a small "dead zone" in the flight envelope: too high to survive a crash, too low for the parachute to be effective. This may or may not be acceptable depending on mission risk tolerance and the reliability of other systems.

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/march/flig...

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by GordonS on Sunday June 12, 2022 @01:54PM (#31716616)
> too high to survive a crash, too low for the parachute to be effective

This is probably a silly question, but couldn't the pilot just wait until the plane dropped below the dead zone before deploying the parachute?

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by chipsa on Sunday June 12, 2022 @05:37PM (#31718524)
You're thinking about the dead zone in the wrong way: There's a height X where you can drop the aircraft and it'll absorb all the forces to have the people live. There's a height Y where the parachute has enough time to deploy and bring the aircraft to terminal velocity. If X is less than Y, there's a height where there's nothing to save you.

Options to resolve this are: make X higher by making the structure able to absorb more energy, or make Y lower by having it deploy faster.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by Andrew_nenakhov on Sunday June 12, 2022 @04:25PM (#31717958)
The lower the craft drops, the deader the zone.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by jeffbee on Sunday June 12, 2022 @12:37PM (#31715821)
The Cirrus SR22 needs ~1000ft above ground to effectively deploy the airframe parachute in a spin.