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Re:US moves closer to recalling Tesla’s self-driving software by jsjohnst on Saturday June 11, 2022 @10:20PM (#31710660)
Tesla “Autopilot” is otherwise known as the combination of “lane keeping assistance” and “adaptive cruise control” for virtually every other manufacturer. Sure, Tesla’s version is better than many of their competitors, but it still doesn’t make the marketing Tesla insists on doing any less misleading.
Re:US moves closer to recalling Tesla’s self-driving software by notatoad on Saturday June 11, 2022 @10:39PM (#31710779)
real autopilot on an airplane is just keeping it in a straight line and constant speed - much less advanced than tesla's autopilot features. autopilot is notoriously stupid, that's why "operating on autopilot" is a metaphor for the mindset that causes careless mistakes.

as a name, it's a pretty good descriptor for what the system actually does. the misleading part is all the other marketing telsa does around it, and the muddying of the line between autopilot and full self-driving.

Re:US moves closer to recalling Tesla’s self-driving software by mulmen on Sunday June 12, 2022 @01:31AM (#31711714)
> real autopilot on an airplane is just keeping it in a straight line and constant speed - much less advanced than tesla's autopilot features

The fact you think this is exactly why Tesla’s naming choice is so dangerous.

Even antiquated general aviation autopilots can intercept headings and change elevation. This is capability that has existed for decades. GA planes are getting the capability to land now. Airliners have been able to land themselves for decades.

Re:US moves closer to recalling Tesla’s self-driving software by jhgb on Sunday June 12, 2022 @07:14AM (#31713632)
Whether "[intercepting] headings and [changing] elevation" is meaningful improvement when the real issue is situational awareness of the automated system (which is obviously the problem with Tesla's system, or any currently existing vehicle automation, really) seems dubious to me. The ability to change altitude instead of just keeping the flight level will not help the automated system avoid an airplane that comes out of nowhere because it's not an environment sensing feature -- it's just a feedback control feature. I strongly suspect that what is controversial about automated car driving systems is not their inability to follow a fixed pre-determined trajectory.
Re:US moves closer to recalling Tesla’s self-driving software by mulmen on Sunday June 12, 2022 @12:55PM (#31716003)
Well flying and driving don’t have much in common so the comparisons break down fast.

Airplanes operate in a completely different environment than cars. Airplanes have radar and radios onboard and rely on ground based information and pre-planning for traffic avoidance. It’s a completely different system.

GM’s vision of self driving cars looked a lot more like the air traffic control system than Tesla’s autopilot.

https://youtu.be/cPOmuvFostY

Re:US moves closer to recalling Tesla’s self-driving software by _moof on Sunday June 12, 2022 @07:20AM (#31713659)
> real autopilot on an airplane is just keeping it in a straight line and constant speed

Not even close. Even light aircraft autopilots can fly a full route from just after takeoff all the way to 200' AGL on final approach. Autopilots in transport category aircraft have full autoland including rollout.

Re:US moves closer to recalling Tesla’s self-driving software by beckingz on Saturday June 11, 2022 @11:30PM (#31711090)
Modern autopilots can autoland a plane. The systems have enough limitations that they are usually not used except in extreme low visibility situations.
Re:US moves closer to recalling Tesla’s self-driving software by martin8412 on Sunday June 12, 2022 @04:47AM (#31712900)
Absolutely untrue. They can follow a preprogrammed path and can land themselves if the airport has the correct equipment, which most do.
Re:US moves closer to recalling Tesla’s self-driving software by Closi on Monday June 13, 2022 @01:39AM (#31721612)
> Tesla “Autopilot” is otherwise known as the combination of “lane keeping assistance” and “adaptive cruise control” for virtually every other manufacturer. Sure, Tesla’s version is better than many of their competitors, but it still doesn’t make the marketing Tesla insists on doing any less misleading.

The Autopilot moniker is also used by Tesla to describe automatic lane changing, automatic start/stop at stop lights and 'summon' - so it's not quite just lane keeping assistance and adaptive cruise control.

Re:US moves closer to recalling Tesla’s self-driving software by jsjohnst on Monday June 13, 2022 @03:00AM (#31722158)
> automatic lane changing

Multiple manufacturers have that feature too as part of their “lane keeping assistance” offering