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Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by Ishmaeli on Friday June 10, 2022 @06:00PM (#31699833)
Also, it seems like just knowing some of the dead ends would be a huge step up.

Like maybe we don't waste a ton of time and resources trying to turn lead into gold, or teaching left-handed kids to be right-handed, or trying to figure out which ritual to perform to which deity to make the crops grow.

Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by jerry1979 on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:07PM (#31700338)
In terms of doing the work of rebuilding civilization, I bet that you have under-rated the role of organized superstition. At the very least, it seems to play the role of superego for the group, and thereby it can prevent incessant bickering and can guide group efforts.
Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by indy on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:36PM (#31700533)
But it seems that we (in the West) are spending a ton of our time bickering over modern superstitions.
Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by OttoVonBizark on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:45PM (#31700589)
oh for sure, but to be effective it would need to be a planned or at least guided superstition and not the horrible random hodge-podge of legacy nonsense we are stuck with now
Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by formerkrogemp on Friday June 10, 2022 @08:37PM (#31700855)
Yes, it helps when explaining rules to persnickety and unrepentant knaves that they should do what you say or they'll face supernatural terror.
Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by jerry1979 on Saturday June 11, 2022 @01:04PM (#31706048)
Another way to look at it is that the bickering is not just between people but also internal bickering. Having "superstitious" beliefs allows people to receive sublime commands but also gives them sublime permission.
Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by Shorel on Saturday June 11, 2022 @09:01AM (#31704132)
How would we know? Has this ever been tested?

Or is it just an instance of: “this is the status quo, accept it”.

Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by jerry1979 on Saturday June 11, 2022 @01:02PM (#31706021)
I'm not an anthropologist, but I think the effectiveness of groups like the Freemasons indicates the power of myth and superstitious belief.
Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by Archelaos on Friday June 10, 2022 @06:33PM (#31700106)
> Also, it seems like just knowing some of the dead ends would be a huge step up.

This makes me think, how Knowledge in a post-apocalyptic society would really work. Some fundamental and comparatively easy technologies might not need to be rediscovered (directly jump to iron and omit bronze). But more advanced Knowledge needs a lot of special training, dedicated institutions, etc. And even if they had access to tales from the Ancients, they would still have to distinguish between valid and invalid information. Otherwise, we could end up with a culture of Flat Earthers.

Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by bluefirebrand on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:01PM (#31700301)
You wouldn't just have access to the knowledge via tales, but the world around you.

You want to say the earth is flat? Why did the ancients have globes, then?

You want to say man made flight is impossible? Here is an airport with planes. Sure we have never gotten them running but what else could they do except fly?

Granted... Never underestimate the willful ignorance of the masses I suppose.

Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by Archelaos on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:46PM (#31700593)
I wanted to emphasis the necessity to re-establish a scientific culture. Knowledge without experience and only from lore would be no real knowledge. Without a collective scientific practice there would be no ground to destinguish between true and false lore. They need to discover science for themselves again. It might be a bit easier and faster though, considering all the hints they would have, as you described it.
Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by imtringued on Saturday June 11, 2022 @05:17AM (#31703101)
I hope they realize that synthetic fertilizers are a dead end.
Re:Getting humanity to bounce back faster in a post-apocalyp... by JoeAltmaier on Saturday June 11, 2022 @07:12AM (#31703629)
They only fed billions? Enabled 98% of humanity to leave farming and invent civilization?