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Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by skohan on Friday June 10, 2022 @02:12AM (#31690671)
Could it be that he actually wanted to buy Twitter at a discount, but mis-calculated how much TSLA stock would drop? Maybe it was attractive at 10-20% of his net worth, but the price got too high.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by pmorici on Friday June 10, 2022 @02:49AM (#31690873)
This is my thinking, he didn’t anticipate the market would tank as bad as it did and now the math on the deal isn’t what it was before all the multiple compression both for Tesla and Twitter. People saying he wasn’t serious about it from the start are off the mark.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by throwaway0a5e on Friday June 10, 2022 @06:21AM (#31692138)
Exactly. Everyone is serious at one price and a tire kicker at another price.

Due to the market drop the dollar figure is now more expensive relatively speaking. I would not be surprised if some lawsuits fly back and forth and the deal winds up going through at a valuation that is similar in relative terms to the offer when it was made but different numerically.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by skohan on Friday June 10, 2022 @09:15AM (#31693659)
I have no idea why Twitter would agree to that. It seems to me the more likely outcome is that Musk will use lawsuits as a disincentive to prevent Twitter from forcing him to go through with the deal, and he will back out at the cost of a massive penalty payment.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by pmorici on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:41PM (#31706969)
It isn’t without precedent there were pending acquisitions during the COVID crash in 2020 that got renegotiated to a lower price.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by HWR_14 on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:53AM (#31692778)
> a valuation that is similar in relative terms to the offer when it was made but different numerically.

I have no idea what that means. You think they negotiate to 53.69/share so Musk can save some face?

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by throwaway0a5e on Friday June 10, 2022 @09:27AM (#31693855)
Both Twitter's value and the value of the stuff that underlies Musk's wealth has dropped.

So they could agree to a new lower price and Twitter shareholders would still make the same money relative to the recent value of the stock and Musk would take a similar ding relative to his net worth.

It's like if you agree with someone's heirs to buy something after the current owners croaks but the current owner takes long enough to croak that the market for that thing changes. The typical path forward is to re-adjust so the deal is just as fair for both parties as it used to be and get on with it. But because of the dollar figures involved here the parties will sue each other instead of exchanging emails/texts like normal people looking to buy and sell stuff do.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by skohan on Friday June 10, 2022 @11:16AM (#31695361)
> So they could agree to a new lower price and Twitter shareholders would still make the same money relative to the recent value of the stock

What? So let's imagine I bought 10000 shares of TWTR in 2018 for $25. And now Musk wants to revise the offer down from 54.20 down to 34.20. Why should I accept a $200k smaller return, just to be more "fair to Elon" in terms of the effect on his net worth?

Or worse, what if I bought 10000 shares close to the peak? Why should I accept a $200k larger loss on the stock?

He made a contract to pay a certain price - it's in no way a wash to shareholders if he wants to pay less. He just made a bad deal. Nobody forced him to sign a contract to acquire Twitter at that price.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by decafninja on Friday June 10, 2022 @10:33AM (#31694767)
I am not a financial markets expert, but many who are seem to believe at least some of TSLA's drop is due to Elon's clowning around with Twitter. So it's a self inflicted wound (which he seems to be doing a lot of these days).
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by natch on Friday June 10, 2022 @03:32PM (#31698467)
Yes that is the common sense, simple, sane theory about what is going on here.

It doesn't make Elon look great, but some of the other theories…

- he wants to feed his ego because he doesn't already have enough to feed his ego

- he wants to make money because he doesn't have enough money

- he wants to grief twitter because it's such a good tool for him and he uses it every day

- he wants to get more people to preorder cars since the waiting line is only a year right now

...are just bonkers.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by cloutchaser on Friday June 10, 2022 @03:13AM (#31691056)
It's not just that TSLA drop.

If Twitter had gone through the current tech market drop, without Musk hanging over it, it could easily be down 60-70%, maybe even 80%.

Twitter is a terrible business on paper with the current board. It wouldn't have done well in this tech crash.

Musk must be pretty annoyed that if he had waiting about 30 days he could have gotten twitter for 60% less money.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by jacquesm on Friday June 10, 2022 @05:31AM (#31691870)
Regret was never a valid reason for annulment of a contract.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by ant6n on Friday June 10, 2022 @05:45AM (#31691948)
It is when buying stuff on Amazon…
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by jacquesm on Friday June 10, 2022 @06:10AM (#31692079)
No, even then: You are still operating within the parameters of your contract with Amazon when you return something, the contract is not annulled, it is merely another clause in the same contract that gets triggered.

Consumer law gives you certain protection varying from place to place because it is impossible to verify what you buy online, but a bid on the stock of a public company is not an Amazon purchase and hence does not have the same kind of protections.

And in a way that is Elon's play: to claim that he put that bid in with important information being withheld by the company that would have had a material effect on the bid price. A reasonable person might take the position that Elon should have done his due diligence before making that bid.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by hef19898 on Friday June 10, 2022 @06:48AM (#31692300)
I always love when these stunts are hitting reality, be that legal, regulation or physics. Because it always fun to watch them crumble. It just doesn't happen often enough, ignorance and endless (VC) money go a long in ignoring those limits without consequences.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by jacquesm on Friday June 10, 2022 @06:57AM (#31692364)
Yes, that's a very good point. I once saw my little kingdom threatened by a funded start-up, fortunately they were really out of control and they didn't last long enough but in that time they burned through 30 million worth of funding and for a while it looked like we might lose the battle before they ran out of funding.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by hef19898 on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:14AM (#31692478)
Situations like this are my main beef with VC funding, we reached a point where it is not the most innovative or the best idea / solution / business wins but the one that can burn through the most money.

WeWork failed at that, and even the slightest increase in intrest rates might doom thosr businesses. We will see so.

Good that you survived so, facing of against 30 million in funding isn't easy, regardless of how stupid that money is.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by jacquesm on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:22AM (#31692532)
No, it definitely wasn't easy. What really helped is that we always remained financially very responsible during the whole run of that business, matching expenses to income with some room to build up a nest egg just in case. We weathered 3 major downturns including the .com bust which is one of the things I'm pretty proud of.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by hef19898 on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:31AM (#31692609)
It definitly is something to be proud of. Shows that business success is a marathon.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by ant6n on Friday June 10, 2022 @03:21PM (#31698359)
So to sum up, regret is sometimes a valid reason for annulment of a contract.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by matkoniecz on Saturday June 11, 2022 @05:09AM (#31703072)
Yes, but it is not applicable in case of contract to buy Twitter that Musk entered into.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by skohan on Friday June 10, 2022 @04:22PM (#31698971)
No, regret is a valid reason to withdraw from a contract if that option is stipulated in the contract.

It's an execution of the contractual terms, not an annulment of the contract.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by ant6n on Saturday June 11, 2022 @01:14AM (#31702127)
There are many places where the right to undo online purchasing contracts is not baked into the purchasing contracts, but based on the law of the land (e.g. Germany). U get the item, decide u don’t like, and undo the contract.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by jacquesm on Friday June 10, 2022 @04:55PM (#31699269)
No.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by kakwa_ on Friday June 10, 2022 @03:45AM (#31691247)
Is the Tesla stock drop having a significant impact?

The whole tech field, including Tesla and Twitter has seen stock prices drop.

Yes Musk can leverage less money, but he also has to spend less to buy Twitter.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by maigret on Friday June 10, 2022 @03:58AM (#31691308)
No they signed a contract about the price, and it's fixed at $54 a share. Which is why the current theater...
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by noduerme on Friday June 10, 2022 @06:09AM (#31692071)
Speaking personally, for the last 3 months or so I've watched my retirement investments lose more than I made each month. I can't really pull out of the stock market unless I want to just eat a 9% inflationary loss. I suppose if I had the platform to talk one stock down to buy it while talking another up to sell it, I'd resort to games too.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by prepend on Friday June 10, 2022 @08:37AM (#31693194)
Don’t worry about it. You’ll see this happen a bunch of times before you retire.

Best not even to look at the amounts until your close to retirement and need to adjust your investments.