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Re:Stop Interviewing with Leet Code by devonkim on Thursday June 09, 2022 @08:36AM (#31680423)
Systemic problems being blamed on individuals is not going to help. Of course society is a shared responsibility model essentially but it means even a highly skilled and otherwise technically competent and qualified engineer in an inadequately structured system can regularly produce garbage work. Having to hire nothing but the best to achieve decent or viable output IMO moreso implies that the processes or systems are lacking than whether people are even capable of output of the desired feature set.
Re:Stop Interviewing with Leet Code by blueflow on Thursday June 09, 2022 @08:41AM (#31680472)
As an adult its your responsibility to produce sensible quality despite social factors. You can not expect society to hold your hand.
Re:Stop Interviewing with Leet Code by jollofricepeas on Thursday June 09, 2022 @08:53AM (#31680611)
I disagree.

Culture is important at companies. Without it quality engineering can’t/won’t happen. People will rise to the bar set by their leadership unfortunately.

Example: The engineering of the Boeing 737 Max

Source: - https://www.netflix.com/title/81272421

Re:Stop Interviewing with Leet Code by blueflow on Thursday June 09, 2022 @08:59AM (#31680667)
Page 4, Part 1.1 from https://www.vdi.de/fileadmin/pages/mein_vdi/redakteure/publi... :

> Ingenieurinnen und Ingenieure sind alleine oder – bei arbeitsteiliger Zusammenarbeit – mitverantwortlich für die Folgen ihrer beruflichen Arbeit sowie für die sorgfältige Wahrnehmung ihrer spezifischen Pflichten, die ihnen aufgrund ihrer Kompetenz und ihres Sachverstandes zukommen

Translated with Google translate:

> Engineers are solely or – in the case of collaborative work – jointly responsible for the Consequences of their professional work as well as for the physical performance of their specific duties, which are due to them due to their competence and their expertise

Carrying this responsibility is a (indirekt) requirement for being legally able to call yourself engineer here.

Edit: a Netflix movie is a form of entertainment and not a valid source.

Re:Stop Interviewing with Leet Code by devonkim on Thursday June 09, 2022 @11:40AM (#31682597)
I understand this but there’s a huge gulf of nuance between expecting hand holding and keeping your head down while bad management expects great work output and results despite problems of their individual failures either.
Re:Stop Interviewing with Leet Code by frostwarrior on Thursday June 09, 2022 @09:33AM (#31680929)
It's more about professionalism and stricter standards of engineering and less about being "good despite bad context".

You can hire the best artisans for your pot making company and make some of the best pots. However, sooner or later you will encounter problems like disparate outcomes of quality (due to different people having different standards of style, crafting and discipline), unpredictability and reliability.

An engineer role is to standardize processes and turn things like quality into a predictable outcome. It's not just about being good and not being bad.

Re:Stop Interviewing with Leet Code by iostream24 on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:22AM (#31692538)
Unless the allegedly consolidated decided role of “software engineer level 123” is just a fiction recruiters believe in.

What you are describing doesn’t match my lived experience in this industry