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Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by Dylan16807 on Thursday June 09, 2022 @04:38AM (#31678912)
> such as unregistering people who aren't living in that state anymore and checking ID when voting, are themselves election rigging

Unregistering has had some serious problems of hitting active voters in the past, though I'm not an expert there.

But I can easily say that checking ID, without first making sure valid voters can easily get the needed ID, is unacceptable.

Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by dahfizz on Thursday June 09, 2022 @08:18AM (#31680254)
> But I can easily say that checking ID, without first making sure valid voters can easily get the needed ID, is unacceptable.

Agreed. The issue is the Democratic solution is to never ID, instead of coming up with a way to easily get people IDs. That makes me rather suspicious of their motives.

Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by Dylan16807 on Thursday June 09, 2022 @01:57PM (#31684547)
I think they do that because nuance gets lost so easily. And some of those laws going through are anti-voter in so many ways that getting lost in the weeds of hypothetical situations weakens the pushback.
Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by t-3 on Thursday June 09, 2022 @10:52AM (#31681921)
ID is required to register to vote in the first place though? It's literally a crime to not present ID when demanded by police. I'm all for removing the (negligible) fees associated, but it's not exactly a huge barrier to voting.
Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by dragonwriter on Thursday June 09, 2022 @10:58AM (#31682031)
> It's literally a crime to not present ID when demanded by police.

No, it isn't, anywhere in the US. A bare majority (26) states have stop-and-identify laws which allow stops to determine identity based on reasonable suspicion of crime, but many don't, and those that do don't (and cannot Constitutionally) require presenting identification.

Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by cobbzilla on Friday June 10, 2022 @05:53AM (#31691991)
IANAL, but it’s not this simple.

Everywhere in the US, the law around Terry stops[1] applies. In fact every time the police “pull you over” on the road is a Terry stop.

In such a stop, mere “reasonable suspicion” is required for police to require you to identify yourself. You’re not required to present ID but you must tell them your name (you could lie, but that’s another crime). You can be arrested for refusing to identify yourself.

In order to determine if your are experiencing a Terry stop, ask the officer “Am I free to go?”, if the answer is no, ask “Why am I being detained?” and the officer should state his cause. If it’s not valid you won’t be able to fight it until after the encounter, possibly after you’ve already been arrested.

Egregious example: The infamous NYC “stop and frisk” policy[2] was essentially a massive Terry-stop program.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_stop

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_Cit...

Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by dragonwriter on Saturday June 11, 2022 @03:48AM (#31702743)
> IANAL, but it’s not this simple.

IANAL, either, but I passed Con Law in law school, and it is.

> Everywhere in the US, the law around Terry stops[1] applies.

Yes, that’s what we are talking about.

> In such a stop, mere “reasonable suspicion” is required for police to require you to identify yourself.

Wrong. In such a stop, it is not federally unconstitutional for such a demand to be made, but it still requires that there is actual state law authorizing it. In 26 states there is, and in the rest there is not.

> You’re not required to present ID

Yes, that’s what I said, that even in the 26 states with stop-and-identify laws, permitted by the Supreme Court, you are still not, as the upthread commenter, required to present ID.

You’ve literally repeated what I said (except for confusing the federal limits of state authority with what police can do without supporting state law), after saying “It’s not that simple”.

Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by cobbzilla on Saturday June 11, 2022 @07:59AM (#31703842)
> I passed Con Law in law school, and it is.

Maybe after I take that course I’ll agree with you. I don’t think that’s a great option for most.