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Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by victor106 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @11:23AM (#31668715)
I love most things Apple but unfortunately Siri is not one of them.

Siri on HomePods are a disaster. You have to shout at it even for it to pickup what you are saying. Mostly when the volume is a little high.

I haven't tried Alexa and Google Assistant but from what I saw other friends operating it seems more of a smooth experience but I could be wrong.

Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by jeromegv on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:39PM (#31669966)
>Siri on HomePods are a disaster. You have to shout at it even for it to pickup what you are saying. Mostly when the volume is a little high.

I have the opposite experience on the HomePod mini, it's actually one of the thing that they are better at. My google home device is entirely useless to try to talk to if something is already playing on it. Compared to Siri that will understand me.

The issue is more with Siri itself being dumb and not that great.

Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by ben_w on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @04:05PM (#31673255)
I’ve only used Alexa in stand-alone units, and Siri on my phone and watch. For me, Alexa regularly fails, and the overwhelming majority of my interaction attempts play out like this:

Me: Alexa, Badezimmer 10%

Alexa: Ich kann nicht Prozent auf Spotify finden

*Five attempts later, it actually works*

(It was even less reliable in English)

Siri mostly hears the right words when I ask questions, and the voice keyboard (is that the same speech-to-text engine?) is correct somewhat more often than the swipe keyboard (although that doesn’t say very much as the latter seems to have become very confused as a result of me learning German).

Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by danhau on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:36PM (#31674625)
I‘ve had Siri set to German for forever (my native language). It regularly has problems recognizing me saying things in English mid-sentence, like when I request it to play a song. I do this a lot (car commuter).

For fun, I set Siri to English for a day and I was blown away at how much better it is. Both in recognizing requests, despite my accent, and in the quality of the voice synthesizer. Song requests became trivial and everything felt much more fluent. English Siri is even able to express emotions (happiness), which is something I’ve never heard in the German version.

Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by olliej on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @01:27PM (#31670878)
I’ve simply never found Siri useful - I don’t know how much of that is fighting comprehension, vs fighting Siri’s generally not great search behaviour. I find talking to machines awkward in general as even for the best cases I still find myself making deliberately structured sentences such that I prefer typing. (Obviously typing doesn’t work for the “assistants”, but I don’t have any of them due to the above issues essentially ruling them out)
Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by 8ytecoder on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @07:17PM (#31675705)
I have to make a list of it sometime. My primary issues are with how apple deal with multiple devices in somewhat close proximity. The HomePod always picks up the request irrespective of how close or far I’m from it. My phone might be right next to me but unless I pick it up and unlock it, HomePod takes priority. Which might be fine if there’s a way to either control other devices or to handoff the request to a closer device.

“Not you, I want the Siri on my phone” or “switch to my phone/iPad”

“Skip the song on my iphone”.

Much worse is the responsiveness.

“I don’t understand”

“Still working on it”

“I can’t seem to be able to connect to the internet at the moment”

“I’m sorry. Can you please repeat?”

With all the on-device ML stuff I assumed they’ll get Siri to operate without the internet for basic recognition and switch to network mode for more complex use cases.

Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by gumby on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @07:41PM (#31675908)
I wish Siri had a hierarchy of preference. In the end I switched it off on the Mac and iPad and mainly use it with my phone. I have to press the button to use it on my watch.
Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by ellisv on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @01:51PM (#31671347)
> Siri on HomePods are a disaster. You have to shout at it even for it to pickup what you are saying. Mostly when the volume is a little high.

I always speak in a normal (or slightly quieter) volume and never have an issue with Siri activating.

My biggest issue is that my HomePods need to get restarted or power cycled periodically (e.g. after a power outage or network update). I wish they were a little faster and had better self-healing but generally work pretty well as room speakers which is primarily what I got them for.

Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by jamil7 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:01PM (#31669372)
I think it's at least partly due to Siri attempting to be more privacy respecting and doing more work on-device rather than server-side like Google and Amazon's offerings.
Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by evercast on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:17PM (#31669628)
Counterpoint: I have a HomePod mini in one of my rooms and it reacts easily to any mention of Siri in other rooms. So I am actually impressed with how good it is in reacting.
Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by ellisv on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @01:53PM (#31671380)
I had a similar issue where a HomePod mini in our living room always responded when in the kitchen, so I just disabled the microphone on the living room HomePod minis.
Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by Workaccount2 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @01:06PM (#31670449)
I have a google home and it is insanely good at hearing you speak. Even with the exhaust fan above the stove and the sink running, I can still talk to it like I would talk to another person in the room.
Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by gumby on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @07:43PM (#31675927)
Interesting. My alarm clock is gf’s kid saying (at increasing volume) “hey google alarm off”. “Hey google quiet” and so on.
Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by WanderPanda on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:41PM (#31670004)
My Google Home mini (first gen I believe) has actually become atrocious at recognizing anything while it worked very well in the first years. Sometimes it still works well after rebooting but not always
Re:Deploying Transformers on the Apple Neural Engine by AceJohnny2 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:14PM (#31669585)
Funny, I have the opposite experience with Siri on HomePods, especially compared to our Nest Hub which is shockingly bad.