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Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by swayvil on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @10:58AM (#31668300)
Do we even have a youth culture now? I think not.

No music as far as I can tell.

And all the "culturally enthusiastic" youth that I know are just into masks, identity politics, transgender and race stuff... Which is heavily subsidized by the corporate/government media and therefore far from genuine.

Did it get subverted out of existence?

Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by evan_ on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:12PM (#31669541)
"Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong."
Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by swatcoder on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @11:59AM (#31669335)
I can't follow what you're suggesting here. Every statement sounds wrong to my ears as though we're speaking different languages. But I'm really curious what you mean. Can you elaborate?

Specifically -- can you go into a some more detail about what "youth culture" means to you, and what makes one genuine vs not?

Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by swayvil on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:15PM (#31669594)
Lol. I wasn't born yesterday. I know a drawing-out maneuver when I see it.
Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by bencollier49 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:01PM (#31669366)
Arguably, music isn't what young people care about any more (Rick Beato did one of his vidijeremiads about this recently), so there aren't any youth music subcultures. It does seem to have refocused towards identity politics.
Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by Sonata on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @03:47PM (#31672999)
Youth culture is alive and well.

And as for music subcultures, I'm a fan of several genres which have distinctive fashions, art styles and world views - rave, psytrance, drum and bass, hardcore punk, metal. It's great to go along to gigs and meet people from those different groups.

I think what has changed is that those subcultures are no longer exclusive to young people. It has become more acceptable for people to be outwardly "alternative" later in life, so people remain in the cultures they found when they were young.

Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by swayvil on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:05PM (#31674156)
What is one modern youth subculture?

Can you name it, its philosophy (roughly, in a nutshell), its music-style and its style of dress?

Because I can't.

Can you name 2 or 3?

Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by TedDoesntTalk on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @04:18PM (#31673404)
As an outsider, it also seems the different subcultures mix now. In the 80s, you would never see some of these groups mingling together. But do they today? Honest question.
Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by swayvil on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:11PM (#31674243)
Re : honest question.

That might be called a whiff of subculture. That assumption that a question is a feint and a conversation is a fight. That paranoia.

That's a new and ubiquitous thing. Strong basis for... some kind of cultural formation.

Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by kjs3 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @03:46PM (#31672988)
Yeah...it really sucks when the current generation doesn't rebel in a way approved by the 'rebels' of a previous generation. You should do something about that...tell them to get off your lawn or something.
Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by swayvil on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:16PM (#31674307)
When the rebels are sponsored by the government and top corporations, it isn't really rebellion.
Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by lm28469 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:04PM (#31669415)
I feel like it's always been the same to some extent, capitalism is just much stronger now and globalisation (of merchandise and information) mean there are much less regional/country specific movements.

It's still easy to find niche groups, the signal to noise ratio is completely fucked though

Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by swayvil on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:11PM (#31669530)
Are raves still a thing?

I'm a big fan of moody ambient electronica, but I can't imagine anybody pogoing to it.

What do the kids dance to these days?

Are there still mosh pits?

Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by lm28469 on Thursday June 09, 2022 @07:55AM (#31680071)
All of this still happens, you just have to look for them. Kids dance to whatever they want, have a look at any social media, they probably dance more than ever before.

Kids don't go to mosh pits but these still happen. There are raves year round all around the world, from electro to death metal

Maybe you got too old and/or just plain disconnected from the new youth culture(s), it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Re:Youth Cultures in East Germany 1985 / Stasi (East German ... by hutzlibu on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @08:38PM (#31676309)
Yes.

Various.

Yes.

Whether it is more or less, like say 20 years ago, I could not tell, but I would say it is more divers today. Less strict defined scenes.