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Re:The firefly population could be declining by 30944836 on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @11:13AM (#31655561)
I don't know how anyone over the age of 30 could write this headline with the word "could." I know there's data behind it, and that we have to be careful not to assume things without the data but...

Have they been outside in the summer, in the midwest? In the mid-1990s you could nearly read a book by the light of lightning bugs. Now's nearly dark.

Re:The firefly population could be declining by Someone on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @11:41AM (#31655963)
I’m not claiming your conclusion is incorrect, but predator-prey systems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotka–Volterra_equations) can have long stretches of population decrease. A measured decrease, even a huge one lasting decades, need not be a a long term decline.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by 30944836 on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @12:14PM (#31656500)
Thank you for this. It is a reminder for me to think more long term than just my short life so far.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by strangattractor on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @01:29PM (#31657562)
Grew up in Southeast Virginia in the 60's. Fireflies galore. June bugs also. Not anymore - haven't seen them in 40 years. Seems to me it coincided with aerial spraying for mosquitos in the area. There are still plenty of mosquitos however:)
Re:The firefly population could be declining by gibolt on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @12:35PM (#31656836)
The main predator is likely cars in this case. Those numbers won't be decreasing, and bug numbers likely won't be bouncing back
Re:The firefly population could be declining by throwaway1777 on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @12:43PM (#31656967)
I was under the impression the main predator was insecticides.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by Someone on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @01:07PM (#31657283)
This isn’t a simple two-species system. If insect population collapse were to cause a human population collapse, I think the number of cars (and wind turbines, and insecticides) would follow, possibly early enough to prevent full extinction of insects.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by lukas099 on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @01:08PM (#31657295)
The point was that the population is declining, not that it is long term.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by Someone on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @02:20PM (#31658199)
The title of this article may make it seem so, but IMHO, it is incorrect, and the main message of the article is

One in three firefly species in North America may be at risk of extinction, according to a study by the Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation.

The title of that paper (https://xerces.org/press/firefly-species-at-risk) is “One in Three North American Firefly Species Assessed May Be at Risk of Extinction”, so I think that’s not a misinterpretation from my side.

Re:The firefly population could be declining by cmrdporcupine on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @11:32AM (#31655847)
Funny, the last two summers here at my rural place in southern Ontario (basically the midwest) there's been so many fireflies. We used to have them here and there, but never like this.

Anecdota, but.

Re:The firefly population could be declining by SoftTalker on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @12:14PM (#31656498)
Seeing a lot of them this spring here in the midwest US as well.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by myth_drannon on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @12:59PM (#31657177)
Montreal island subburbs, so many of them every summer.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by bmitc on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @11:51AM (#31656108)
I haven’t seen a firefly since I was a kid. We used to catch and release them using glass jars.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by 0des on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @11:57AM (#31656196)
so it's your fault.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by bmitc on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @12:05PM (#31656350)
Haha. Catch and release! (And that was one or two amongst tens or hundreds.) Although probably relatively harmless, I wouldn't do it now.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by immmmmm on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @11:31AM (#31655820)
by some authors, this decline is 3 orders of magnitude faster than what is inferred from fossil records of the last extinction event. global warming might increase that by an additional 2 orders of magnitude.

the good news is that it can still be partially reversed, if humanity acts quickly.

Re:The firefly population could be declining by spiderice on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @11:44AM (#31656005)
If the partial reversal is contingent on humans acting quickly, I'm not sure that is good news.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by choeger on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @12:10PM (#31656435)
Humans act extremely quickly - in geological terms. That's part of the problem, of course. Unfortunately, it stands to reason that OP meant quickly in human terms.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by immmmmm on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @12:54PM (#31657104)
let's say that this topic making it to the front page of HN is good start.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by alar44 on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @03:21PM (#31658904)
> the good news is that it can still be partially reversed, if humanity acts quickly.

So we're fucked then.

Re:The firefly population could be declining by mathattack on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @12:51PM (#31657077)
Experienced the same as a kid and can’t remember the last one I’ve seen.
Re:The firefly population could be declining by gnulinux on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @11:51AM (#31656113)
Anecdote but 2020 summer (covid summer) there were tons of fireflies in Boston. A lot more so than normal. I don't know how it was 10+ years ago though...
Re:The firefly population could be declining by metadaemon on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @12:06PM (#31656365)
I've been saying this for a while. I remember so many as a child, so it's only anecdotal, but there has been a very noticeable decline.