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Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by furyg3 on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @03:57AM (#31651120)
Depends on how you think about it. You could say that you 'own' it but you have obligations (lease payments) or it will be seized. The same is true for property you 'own', if you don't pay your taxes or fail to manage the property, it will be seized.
Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by em1sar on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @04:08AM (#31651187)
not paying taxes on your property is different from not owning something and missing a recurring payment.
Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by sgjohnson on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @05:12AM (#31651683)
Not really. With property taxes, you lease the title to “your” land from the government.
Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by happymellon on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @05:44AM (#31651880)
Except that if you don't pay your taxes, they might not take your house.

If you fail to pay your lease then they will reclaim that particular item.

Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by judge2020 on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @10:28AM (#31654866)
> if you don't pay your taxes, they might not take your house.

At least in the states they absolutely do. It starts off as a tax lien which is then sold to whoever wants to buy it, so that the private sector handles actually reclaiming the land and re-listing it on the stock market.

Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by happymellon on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @12:31PM (#31656780)
That is just how US law is structured though. They could just as easily say that they will reclaim the loss through recovery of your assets or by weight in blood.

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/council-tax/what-happens-if-you-d...

In the UK the process is different, which just shows that they don't have to take your house to reclaim outstanding taxes.

The point is that the government has options, if the property recovery value doesn't cover the missing taxes then I'm sure they will recover through other avenues. If you lease a car and don't pay, they can really only reclaim the car.

Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by sgjohnson on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @04:25PM (#31659661)
Council tax is not the same as property tax.
Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by happymellon on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @09:11AM (#31738898)
They are government taxes based upon the value of your house.

The government can take whatever they want in repayment as they are the government.

Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by judge2020 on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @01:49PM (#31657825)
I realize my huge mistake calling it the "stock market". It's the real estate market.
Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by dizhn on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @05:09AM (#31651656)
The registration would show the name of the real owner. I don't think this is a good example.
Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by judge2020 on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @10:25AM (#31654823)
That doesn't really change much though? It can still be taken from you for non-payment. What does it matter if some piece of paper says you "own" it if the courts will still allow someone to repossess it?

Also this depends on the state, some US states are set up where the bank owns the title until the borrower pays it off, and others have the borrower on the title from the start but with a lien on the car by the lender in case the borrower doesn't pay. https://realestatelicensewizard.com/title-theory-vs-lien-the...

Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by dizhn on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @05:39PM (#31660395)
Actually if I remember correctly (at least in NJ) the registration shows the name of the creditor as the owner. That was my only past experience. Mine was a vote in the "no you don't own it" direction and mine was financing not even a lease. (Not that they are fundamentally so different)
Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by logifail on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @03:05AM (#31664249)
Vehicle registration rules in the UK[0] make a clear distinction between the "registered keeper" of a vehicle (the person who "keeps" it, uses it day-to-day, and who is responsible for taxing it), and a vehicle's owner.

A vehicle's registration papers show the keeper's name and details but the document states in large letters "This document is not proof of ownership".

[0] https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/new-and-used-vehicle...

Re:Eu.org, free domain names since 1996 by dizhn on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @07:07AM (#31665668)
I think our paperwork shows the registration info of the person who registred it. Like in UK this is not ownership by itself. The paperwork also has a section for any liens on the property. This can be the creditor from the beginning or a private person or a government entity can have a claim due to debts. Nowadays these are all in the system of course. The paper card does not mean anything. Everything is looked up on the spot.