Re:A CIA hacker’s revenge
by whatshisface on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:53AM
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States can't just "kill someone," they have to initiate criminal proceedings. You're describing a version of sovereignty that hasn't been recognized since the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215. In the modern world authority derives from the consent of the governed and is bound by law.
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Re:A CIA hacker’s revenge
by formerkrogemp on Monday June 06, 2022 @11:46AM
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> States can't just "kill someone," they have to initiate criminal proceedings. You're describing a version of sovereignty that hasn't been recognized since the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215. In the modern world authority derives from the consent of the governed and is bound by law.
Bullshit. Millions of people have directly lost their lives due to the actions of the American government and citizens. Where were the criminal proceedings and due process for "collateral" damage in dozens of countries worldwide?
Maybe some states have to initiate criminal proceedings before killing people, but other states are happy to kill people, including their own citizens, including children, without any criminal proceedings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Abdulrahman_al-Awla...
(To be fair, most countries have vague laws and corrupt courts so having a court in country X decide that someone should be executed is hardly any better, in practice, than having Barack Obama order the execution.)
Re:A CIA hacker’s revenge
by imwillofficial on Monday June 06, 2022 @12:30PM
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Ruby ridge, waco
Oh, please. We have a confirmed account of Obama ordering the (successful) execution of an American citizen without due process. So it's not just theoretical.
I'm sure when the CIA / FBI reads this, they have a smile on their faces.
Plenty of people i.e US citizens / residents have been killed not just on foreign soil but on US soil as well. Extra-judicial killings happen to this day. Foreign one's well that's just collateral damage ;)
if you're a non threat of course, they might put the child-porn charge just to extend your suffering.
Re:A CIA hacker’s revenge
by x86_64Ubuntu on Monday June 06, 2022 @02:14PM
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Plenty of civil rights activists were killed by the state or with the tacit approval of the state.
Re:A CIA hacker’s revenge
by whatshisface on Monday June 06, 2022 @11:37AM
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This would be a better link to make that point with [0] since the controversy section on that one only links to it, but my response would still be that government employees cannot overturn the rule of law by getting away with a few crimes any more than people who are not government employees can. Could you imagine if the police would give up on a law every time they had a cold case?