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Re:Lumber Prices Slump by HWR_14 on Monday June 06, 2022 @01:46AM (#31637557)
I think oil and gas is staying high because the sanctions on Russia are staying in place and/or escalating. If the sanctions were removed (say because Putin was deposed) I imagine the prices would plummet
Re:Lumber Prices Slump by turtledove on Monday June 06, 2022 @02:17AM (#31637687)
Alternatively, oil is high because there's a cartel interested in maximizing profits, and there's enough dust in the air from world events that they can claim plausible deniability.

It's purely free markets doing what they do - trying to optimize for the point where profits are highest by raising prices until demand drops sufficient to level off total profits. Externalities be damned (environmental, social, economic, etc.)

Re:Lumber Prices Slump by HWR_14 on Monday June 06, 2022 @08:57PM (#31648547)
The cartel just reassessed their output as a result of the continuing war and decided to increase output.

And OPEC cares a lot about externalities. They know that pushing oil prices high enough will cause a recession which leads to less money for them. (They learned this in 1979). So they try to maintain a healthy but not runiously shortsighted profit.

Re:Lumber Prices Slump by sakopov on Monday June 06, 2022 @02:18AM (#31637693)
The price of crude oil has been flying to the moon since December 2021. Just look at YTD chart for crude oil. Russian invasion of Ukraine might be one of contributing factors for elevated prices, but it can't be the main one.
Re:Lumber Prices Slump by diordiderot on Monday June 06, 2022 @02:02AM (#31637636)
Russian oil is still being sold to India, China, and in Europe...

They're price gouging. They learned their lesson from the shale boom and are colluding to keep prices high / aren't re-opening wells for fears of a sharp drop in prices. Remember when crude went negative?

Re:Lumber Prices Slump by wbsss4412 on Monday June 06, 2022 @11:20AM (#31641615)
The lesson from the shale boom is that the saudis have no problems with waging a price war to drive them out of business after they’ve made significant upfront investments.

Avoiding investments that you know will result in huge losses isn’t price gouging.

Re:Lumber Prices Slump by google234123 on Monday June 06, 2022 @02:14AM (#31637673)
Why would they bother to open anything new. the Biden will require 3 years of environmental review and will not defend against any frivolous lawsuits for any new production or plants
Re:Lumber Prices Slump by turtledove on Monday June 06, 2022 @02:19AM (#31637702)
First, they wouldn't need to open anything new. They could reopen existing wells.

Second, pumping oil out of new sites is myopic, at best.

And third, any administration's policies are hardly going to move the needle on the profits oil companies are going to make. They may tell you it's Biden, but that's just convenient cover so folks stop blaming them for problems they could eminently fix.

Re:Lumber Prices Slump by throwaway0a5e on Monday June 06, 2022 @08:42AM (#31639729)
Even just "turning on" existing wells has large up front costs and takes time to have a positive ROI. Between the threat of OPEC turning on the tap and the threat of administration adopting some policy that dings a percent out of the existing margin the risk is too great for north American operators to pull out the stops and go all in.
Re:Lumber Prices Slump by diordiderot on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @01:15AM (#31650140)
It's basically one sector holding the entire rest of the economy hostage for more record breaking profit.

I'd argue for "use it or lose it" laws in basically every sector. Farmland, speculative RE investment, etc. Or a sort of delapidation tax

In b4 'but property rights' they're fundamentally a privelidge granted to you by the 'polis'and protected by the polis for it's own benefit.

Re:Lumber Prices Slump by thehappypm on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:22AM (#31640870)
It’s hardly myopic. We can’t get to a green future without a healthy energy mix today to get us there.
Re:Lumber Prices Slump by elzbardico on Monday June 06, 2022 @07:29AM (#31639134)
In that case, oil prices will stay high. Russia is winning the war and so the sanctions will remain in place.