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Re:Crabs evolved at least five times from separate groups of... by AlbertCory on Friday June 03, 2022 @09:49PM (#31616073)
> We know the process has occurred multiple times and our current grant is aimed at better understanding the drivers and implications

What can they actually discover? 10 legs good? But how about 12? [1]

> The crab with the longest legs is the Japanese spider crab. It’s not related to spiders, despite its name. When extended, its legs can be as long as 12 feet.

Now there's a nightmare for you.

[1] https://www.reference.com/pets-animals/many-legs-crab-4c30fb...

Re:Crabs evolved at least five times from separate groups of... by alluro2 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:15AM (#31616934)
Re:Crabs evolved at least five times from separate groups of... by Spixel_ on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:26AM (#31617272)
You should play Obra Dinn.
Re:Crabs evolved at least five times from separate groups of... by lmz on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:49AM (#31617101)
Long legs can't save it from Japanese cooking shows http://ironcheffans.com/?p=1573
Re:Crabs evolved at least five times from separate groups of... by cuteboy19 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:52PM (#31622599)
Hey it's the "silence, brand" crab!
Re:Crabs evolved at least five times from separate groups of... by docmechanic on Friday June 03, 2022 @10:27PM (#31616338)
If the habitat was the bottleneck, we could learn about a convergence point that tells us about possible non-Earth life.

"Whatever the advantages are, they do not apply in all habitats because some groups have also lost carcinization; one modern example being the frog crab."

Re:Crabs evolved at least five times from separate groups of... by samus on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:56AM (#31618329)
Fun fact: life has terraformed the Earth (pun fully intended) into what it is today:

- Photosynthesis created and maintains the current composition of the athmosphere. By removing too much CO2, it likely also contributed to several ice ages.

- Early life sequestered almost all the iron in the primordial Earth's sea into sediments, which turned into iron ores.

- We take the presence of such a basic thing as soil for almost granted, yet soil is created and maintained by life itself. At the same time, soil is only absent in environments where only extremophiles can survive. From this follows that it must have taken a lot of time for life to conquer the land and make it hospitable by creating a soil covering.

From these things, I (perhaps hastily) conclude that planets with life could actually look a lot like Earth. Or they can at least be recognized by the presence of chemically and physically unlikely features such as reactive elements like oxygen in their athmospheres.

Re:Crabs evolved at least five times from separate groups of... by imtringued on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:04PM (#31621979)
Something farmers who are now inherently dependent on synthetics forgot is that plants can form soil on their own. Plants use deep root systems and can send up to half their glucose into the soil to build up organic matter in the soil. Bacteria and fungi digest the glucose and create small pores in clay soil which lets water infiltrate instead of washing nutrients away at the top. Droughts are rarely the result of a lack of water, they are the result of poor water retention.

The point is that plants are capable of terraforming the planet on their own. It isn't even a slow process if humans help the plants do their job.

Re:Crabs evolved at least five times from separate groups of... by docmechanic on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:28PM (#31623628)
That's fascinating. Do you happen to have a link to a study describing how deep root systems can transfer up to half their glucose in the soil?
Re:Crabs evolved at least five times from separate groups of... by gus_massa on Saturday June 04, 2022 @09:34AM (#31620143)
I agree, but the first peak of atmospheric oxygen was more deadly than your description https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event
Re:Crabs evolved at least five times from separate groups of... by namaria on Saturday June 04, 2022 @06:30PM (#31625732)
Maybe there are also path-dependent constraints. We shouldn't assume Earth life has tried every existing possibility so far. Or that we would know about every path taken.