I don't think I'm a good negotiator, I just think I'm better at it than you who is dealing with a "no-haggle" dealer.

You don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than the slowest person to come out better.

When I buy cars I shop around, there's surprising variance in dealers depending on what's going on with them. If a no haggle place has the best price I'll buy that. I haven't had that ever be the case as they quote MSRP.